CAL 170 LEC Update
10-09-2010, 03:36 AM
#91
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: 787 Captain
Posts: 1,512
Originally Posted by bigdog
Long ways from the original post but this is for Jason...
You obviously need to be reminded:
- UAL ACQUIRED/TOOK OVER CAL - Not a simple stock swap as management and you would love for us to believe!
- We have 78 wide bodies - you have 22
- We have 132 75/767s - you have 88
- We have 152 Airbuses - you have 238 737s - this pretty much says you are a narrow body airline
- We have 50 787/350s on order with 100 options - you have 25 78s with NO options
- We have longevity and REAL career expectations - you have a happy work force
Sir, please do not think for a moment that just because your workforce is apparently happy we are going to somehow give you the golden goose. FAR FAR from it my ALPA brother.
You will not get relative seniority - you are dreaming my friend!
this from another board...
You obviously need to be reminded:
- UAL ACQUIRED/TOOK OVER CAL - Not a simple stock swap as management and you would love for us to believe!
- We have 78 wide bodies - you have 22
- We have 132 75/767s - you have 88
- We have 152 Airbuses - you have 238 737s - this pretty much says you are a narrow body airline
- We have 50 787/350s on order with 100 options - you have 25 78s with NO options
- We have longevity and REAL career expectations - you have a happy work force
Sir, please do not think for a moment that just because your workforce is apparently happy we are going to somehow give you the golden goose. FAR FAR from it my ALPA brother.
You will not get relative seniority - you are dreaming my friend!
this from another board...
Bigdog, I hope you have read the entire thread before jumping in the CAL pilot's sh!t on this forum. By and large both groups on this forum understand the importance of a unified pilot group and have avoided ****ing contests like the one you're trying to start (or continue where Jayson left off). I hope that the responses to your post show the same restraint as we saw with the original ML.
10-09-2010, 05:37 AM
#92
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Position: B777 Capt
Posts: 844
Originally Posted by SOTeric
Well...all good points. A little fire with fire and you boys run. Typical.
In my opinion Jayson is a buffoon and is on equal footing to what Richard Ferris referred to Jamie Lindsey as: "He is lower than Whale S&^%".
What I believe, and I am apt to be wrong, the majority of the UA/CA pilots on this forum are not about beating their chest about what they perceive to do better than the other carrier. In fact I get the sense that most pilots want to achieve a Joint contract that provides an increase in pay/quality of life and protects scope from becoming the demise of MORE jobs. Most are realistic to believe that arbitration will be the solution to the ISL and we pick up the pieces after this is over and work together.
L
10-09-2010, 05:51 AM
#93
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Position: Le Bus
Posts: 382
Originally Posted by Lambourne
SOTeric,
In my opinion Jayson is a buffoon and is on equal footing to what Richard Ferris referred to Jamie Lindsey as: "He is lower than Whale S&^%".
What I believe, and I am apt to be wrong, the majority of the UA/CA pilots on this forum are not about beating their chest about what they perceive to do better than the other carrier. In fact I get the sense that most pilots want to achieve a Joint contract that provides an increase in pay/quality of life and protects scope from becoming the demise of MORE jobs. Most are realistic to believe that arbitration will be the solution to the ISL and we pick up the pieces after this is over and work together.
L
In my opinion Jayson is a buffoon and is on equal footing to what Richard Ferris referred to Jamie Lindsey as: "He is lower than Whale S&^%".
What I believe, and I am apt to be wrong, the majority of the UA/CA pilots on this forum are not about beating their chest about what they perceive to do better than the other carrier. In fact I get the sense that most pilots want to achieve a Joint contract that provides an increase in pay/quality of life and protects scope from becoming the demise of MORE jobs. Most are realistic to believe that arbitration will be the solution to the ISL and we pick up the pieces after this is over and work together.
L
10-09-2010, 10:44 AM
#94
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: 737 CAPT
Posts: 1,882
Originally Posted by bigdog
Long ways from the original post but this is for Jason...
You obviously need to be reminded:
- UAL ACQUIRED/TOOK OVER CAL - Not a simple stock swap as management and you would love for us to believe!
- We have 78 wide bodies - you have 22
- We have 132 75/767s - you have 88
- We have 152 Airbuses - you have 238 737s - this pretty much says you are a narrow body airline
- We have 50 787/350s on order with 100 options - you have 25 78s with NO options
- We have longevity and REAL career expectations - you have a happy work force
Sir, please do not think for a moment that just because your workforce is apparently happy we are going to somehow give you the golden goose. FAR FAR from it my ALPA brother.
You will not get relative seniority - you are dreaming my friend!
this from another board...
You obviously need to be reminded:
- UAL ACQUIRED/TOOK OVER CAL - Not a simple stock swap as management and you would love for us to believe!
- We have 78 wide bodies - you have 22
- We have 132 75/767s - you have 88
- We have 152 Airbuses - you have 238 737s - this pretty much says you are a narrow body airline
- We have 50 787/350s on order with 100 options - you have 25 78s with NO options
- We have longevity and REAL career expectations - you have a happy work force
Sir, please do not think for a moment that just because your workforce is apparently happy we are going to somehow give you the golden goose. FAR FAR from it my ALPA brother.
You will not get relative seniority - you are dreaming my friend!
this from another board...
UAL has 153 CRJ700/EMB170 airplanes - CAL has 0 (ZIP, ZILCH, NADA, SCOPE)
UAL earns revenue by outsourcing flying to a foreign carrier with non-United crews - CAL doesn't (that SCOPE thing again)
I'm sure these tie in with REAL career progressions somewhere, huh?
Give it a rest already. Both sides can point to things they bring to the table. So enough of me vs. you. It's US (UNITED pilots) vs. THEM (management).
10-18-2010, 08:08 PM
#95
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Posts: 169
Originally Posted by CAL EWR
One last post from me and then I am done with this thread. I just reread the ML, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with Item one or my editorial. Our airline is going away, so we have every right to remind our pilots where we come from and how proud we are of our soon to be former airline.
The United pilots have their elected representatives fighting on their behalf and the Continental pilots have their own as well. This is business and don’t take anything personally, it appears to me to many of you are way too sensitive. I have gotten countless phone calls and e-mails from our pilots supporting the latest ML. I’m out of here.
The United pilots have their elected representatives fighting on their behalf and the Continental pilots have their own as well. This is business and don’t take anything personally, it appears to me to many of you are way too sensitive. I have gotten countless phone calls and e-mails from our pilots supporting the latest ML. I’m out of here.
While I'm at it.....can you explain why you supported a resolution to keep Doug Morotta on as Vice Chair of CALALPA after he lost his medical? The union is paying him full time trip loss so he doesn't have to use LTD? Do other CAL pilots have the same opportunity for this deal? Come Jayson, let's here some answers.
You last comment was "I'm out of here"...please do resign. You are disgrace, and you call yourself a trade unionist....right!
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