You mean the name of your airline is going away. In case you didn't notice, BOTH airlines are changing and will neither will be the same as we knew them....yesterday, last year, last decade. Our only hope is to make our JOBS at the new entity BETTER than what we previously had. It is possible if we can continue to work together and avoid the vitriol that has plagued the USAir/AmWest pilot groups. In that regard, your missive did little to further our collective future. Like it or not Jayson, this merger is DONE. You SHOULD represent your EWR pilots as best as you can -- that is what you were elected to do. I expect my reps to do the same. If my reps wrote a letter like yours, I'd be on the phone with them in very short order to express my disapproval. WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER and must NOT let short term 'feel good' rhetoric poison the well. I understand that certain folks like, in fact NEED, that kind of message you sent -- but IMO you should keep it verbal. Do it in an LEC meeting or on the phone, NOT in a message that you KNOW will be widely distributed to UA and CAL pilots system wide.

Good luck with your representational duties, even though we are not on the same seniority list now, your actions have a direct impact on my future!

 

Jayson, thanks for not answering AGAIN. As for the email I selected the link to the email address on the MadmanLine. Sent email and it bounced.

If you perused the thread you might have noticed more CAL pilots than not have expressed how classless your update was. Are you a member of the JNC? Are you directly involved in the process of the ISL? Maybe you are, but it would seem someone in your position would be wiser and understand the need to work within the ALPA structure to achieve the agreements. Do you really think the ISL will be decided outside of an arbitrator? Make your arguments to him not your pilot group as they have no say so.

Typical ALPA bravado. 1. You represent the EWR domicile. I don't believe all 4800 pilots are based there. 2. I, like you and all the other pilots involved in this process are paying ALPA an assessment each month to protect our interest in this process. You toss out the " UAL MEC doesn't have the CAL pilots best interest" bit. So I ask you, and I'm sure you won't answer AGAIN, does that mean the CAL MEC has the best interest of the UAL pilots at heart? This must be what you meant since you went to great lengths to point this out. Those poor 4800 CAL pilots that wouldn't have a snowball's chance, if it wasn't for the most excellent leadership they have gotten from the one and only man that can do the job of the entire CAL MEC, Jayson Baron.

L

 

Lambourne I never did hear your answer when were you hired at ual?

 

When did you ask the question? 1987. How about yourself?

 

Oh come on Lambourne! You may want to "peruse" the thread yourself. I have NOT read any CAL Pilot (other than yourself), using the word "Classless" in describing CA Baron's Magenta Line brief (if I 'missed' that single CAL pilot, then I'll take the Crow Med/Well). There were/are some that did not agree with his writing, but stating "More CAL Pilots than not...." (In lame man's terms > 50%)?? Please attempt to be accurate in your ratio's......I will have to give you an "A" on pontificating.

As I expressed/quoted in my earlier post, "I don't agree with the manner in which it was posted in it being constructive material during this Merger".....It was not HE that posted it. It was was someone other than him who posted it....it being the ML that was written to "his", yes his CAL Pilots.....and there are 'other' CAL Pilots outside of EWR that read that letter.

AGAIN, I was clear in saying "it was written for his LEC 170 Pilot Group....not meant to hang out there publicly to rub in anyone's face who may find it as "IN YOUR FACE" within your camp".

If your STILL having that bone to pick after all this, and your dilemma of 'bouncing email's' still bothers you.....for the second time, the phone number works!

Sir, you would be correct....JB is at an LEC level within the EWR base. What your failing to realize is that he DOES have a voting seat (IE his "9-0" vote reference in the ML Letter) as one of the 9 to vote on ANY T/A that comes across the desk prior to being handed out to the Pilot Group for T/A Ratification.....so indirectly, he does have representation in the 4,800 CAL Pilot's during this process that we are in.

As it's been pointed out, the structure within the Transition Agreement during our Merger, BOTH MEC's will have an independent vote/say as to "yea/nay" if anything is handed down to the combine Pilot Group for vote. WHY is this in place?? Stating the OBVIOUS.....It's "check-n-balance" to assure that BOTH MEC's (respectively) have the best interests of each others (AKA the COMBINE Group) pilots groups in check prior having ANY T/A voted on by the general group.

Your can BET your ars that UAL's MEC is going to fight hard to protect the UAL pilots in any future JCBA in the same manner that CAL's MEC will be doing the same for their pilots in a future labor agreement. I will be the first to say "Kumbaya we sing" in the JCBA, that is true......But if one side feels they have a legitimate beef on a topic/provision within the T/A......you can darn well expect THAT side's MEC to fully defend their pilots on that front. If you can HONESTLY tell me that I am 'incorrect' in stating that in those terms, have at it.

 

I asked back on 8-25 under ual training.

 

Just a point of clarification since you used the word "assessment" in your response:

"Assessment" has a specific meaning in ALPA terminology that differs from "dues."

While it is true that both CAL and UAL pilots pay dues to ALPA, CAL pilots are currently NOT paying an extra assessment for the merger integration process.

Just pointing that out on the assumption you meant assessment as it is currently used within ALPA.

 

Sorry I missed the Question. How about yourself?

 

RE: Totally Classless Remarks

First, Jayson, glad you are a United Pilot now, and hope you will continue to serve the interests of your fellow pilots (all of us) in the future. Many at UAL have enjoyed the ML bold approach toward senior leadership failures.

Second, Lambourne may very poor at "communications", but I am almost certain he has spent time in ALPA service as well. So when he uncorks with his foolish rants against fellow pilots at CAL LEC 170, or even UAL MIL guys, lets cut him some slack. Can too much ALPA lead to PTSS?

Last lets not let a few careless words about something we will not decide, distract us from working together as one.

From the sideline,

SP

 

1985 a few times as one of the 570. No I am not one of the chest thumper's. I did take offense to how you described many of them. Not sure if I can remember exactly, but a profile the company was looking for, unhireable anywhere else, no airline experience were a few of the comments. I made mention of the class I was in and you never responded.