IPads? EFB's?
#71
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Perhaps being an outsider you are not privy to the information that ALPA is doling out at the domiciles and layover locations. ALPA says there are 1+billion reasons the company wants to come to terms on an agreement. Appears there can be an agreement between the company and ALPA. The UA/CO MEC's have been able to get together on the issues of pay (no they didn't say what those terms were) and are ready to get a joint contract. The mediation will be filed for and that is part of the process. The MEC Officer speaking seemed to think things were great. I think you being on the outside is a detriment to your ACTUAL knowledge of what is taking place.
Enjoy your time away. Perhaps you should enjoy some time away from proselytizing on an issue you really have no accurate information on. ALPA said they are not putting in print what is being shared at meetings as they want this to be a face to face, we are doing something, sort of adventure.
L
Enjoy your time away. Perhaps you should enjoy some time away from proselytizing on an issue you really have no accurate information on. ALPA said they are not putting in print what is being shared at meetings as they want this to be a face to face, we are doing something, sort of adventure.
L
L,
In the conversation(s) you are referring to, did the MEC member say that negotiations would continue while the NMB was brought up to speed, or are we basically in holding until whoever gets assigned is fully briefed?
Thanks
#72
He said expect the contract by summer and the SLI by this time next December. They said they were not putting this stuff in print as the words the MEC puts out are dissected by all parties and not always in a positive way.
L
#73
He said progress was being made with the company negotiators. The mediator would be involved as agreed to in the TA. The impression he gave was the negotiations would continue after the first of the year. From what I gathered asking for mediation doesn't actually mean we get one right away. So to answer your question, yes they will continue to negotiate while a mediator is chosen and briefed.
He said expect the contract by summer and the SLI by this time next December. They said they were not putting this stuff in print as the words the MEC puts out are dissected by all parties and not always in a positive way.
L
He said expect the contract by summer and the SLI by this time next December. They said they were not putting this stuff in print as the words the MEC puts out are dissected by all parties and not always in a positive way.
L
I think you did just put it in print

Hope you/they are correct. Heck, maybe they'll just tell the NMB folks on day one, "just kidding," you can go home now.
That would be great news for all involved taking a timeline like you mentioned previously. I'll be the first to say job well done and thumbs up.
Looking forward to reading the TA announcement this summer. Check back with you then. Until then, one question, the 1 billion you mentioned is I'm assuming net gain after the cost of all the JCBA's. Guess the contract is going to be something because that is only half the amount of "synergy" mgmt spouted pre-merger if memory serves.
Frats,
Lee
#75
The big difference is I'm not an mec official. If I print what was heard there is wiggle room for the MEC I suppose. The guys were in several cities spreading the word. A friend was in Tokyo at the downtown layover hotel and ALPA was there. Guess that is where my assessment is going. Giving MEC members TYO vacations. At least the guys I talked to were in a domicile.
Yes the billion dollar number was net. Also they said the company was making money and the sooner they combined the better monetarily for the corporation. Supposedly the finance consultant we are paying from the assessment is positive too on the contract. But, ALPA consultants have a history of selling us a pig in a poke.
L
Yes the billion dollar number was net. Also they said the company was making money and the sooner they combined the better monetarily for the corporation. Supposedly the finance consultant we are paying from the assessment is positive too on the contract. But, ALPA consultants have a history of selling us a pig in a poke.
L
#76
Or better yet call your rep. Get the facts before you react
L
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#78
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From a blastmail sent today from EWR ACP Capt. Mike Bowers:
1. EFB/Ipad Update: As I mentioned on a previous blastmail we are looking at using IPads. I was under the impression that the IPads would be replacing the EFB's, but that does not seem to be the case. Here is what I am hearing now.
The Ipad or a device like it will be issued to each individual pilot later this year in order to be used to store AFM, FOM, training manuals etc. We may issue charts to these devices also. They are for use outside the flight deck, but may also be used in the flight deck to reference a manual such as a AFM or FOM. They are not to be used to view charts in the flight deck. The EFBs i.e. Class two EFBs will continue to be installed in all B757 aircraft and the B767 aircraft. The B767 is delayed as the maintenance schedule for those is really spread out as the installs are done on heavy checks. We will be updating the EFB software shortly as we have received the approval of the new software from the AEG so we just need to obtain local FAA Ops approval. We will be seeking FAA approval to use the Ipad-like devices to back-up the aircraft EFBs, that is if a EFB becomes inop in flight then the Ipad-like device may be used to view charts. We have completed an assessment of approx eight different units and the Ipad is looking the best of all these "tablet PCs", Jeppesen is working on the back end of the software in order to support the devices. We will know more early in January.
1. EFB/Ipad Update: As I mentioned on a previous blastmail we are looking at using IPads. I was under the impression that the IPads would be replacing the EFB's, but that does not seem to be the case. Here is what I am hearing now.
The Ipad or a device like it will be issued to each individual pilot later this year in order to be used to store AFM, FOM, training manuals etc. We may issue charts to these devices also. They are for use outside the flight deck, but may also be used in the flight deck to reference a manual such as a AFM or FOM. They are not to be used to view charts in the flight deck. The EFBs i.e. Class two EFBs will continue to be installed in all B757 aircraft and the B767 aircraft. The B767 is delayed as the maintenance schedule for those is really spread out as the installs are done on heavy checks. We will be updating the EFB software shortly as we have received the approval of the new software from the AEG so we just need to obtain local FAA Ops approval. We will be seeking FAA approval to use the Ipad-like devices to back-up the aircraft EFBs, that is if a EFB becomes inop in flight then the Ipad-like device may be used to view charts. We have completed an assessment of approx eight different units and the Ipad is looking the best of all these "tablet PCs", Jeppesen is working on the back end of the software in order to support the devices. We will know more early in January.
#79
The big difference is I'm not an mec official. If I print what was heard there is wiggle room for the MEC I suppose. The guys were in several cities spreading the word. A friend was in Tokyo at the downtown layover hotel and ALPA was there. Guess that is where my assessment is going. Giving MEC members TYO vacations. At least the guys I talked to were in a domicile.
Yes the billion dollar number was net. Also they said the company was making money and the sooner they combined the better monetarily for the corporation. Supposedly the finance consultant we are paying from the assessment is positive too on the contract. But, ALPA consultants have a history of selling us a pig in a poke.
L
Yes the billion dollar number was net. Also they said the company was making money and the sooner they combined the better monetarily for the corporation. Supposedly the finance consultant we are paying from the assessment is positive too on the contract. But, ALPA consultants have a history of selling us a pig in a poke.
L
It's good to hear. Read a "magenta line" that is a significant shift from previous one's IMO. Looks like that unified front may be developed. Bravo.
Perhaps there are external forces on the company pushing them towards achieving the end game of integration sooner rather than later. I can only postulate that an external influence may by default be helping the overall cause now that the MEC's are playing nice together.
One can wonder. I can see the "Labor Strategy" department (that might be HR in other nice companies) coming up with a plan for full frontal attack, 70 seat CAL code share, JV's etc., knowing if they go through, great, if they don't, minimal loss, but at least we showed a strong hand. At the same time, they are getting pressure from whatever entity to push through to fruition and completely consummate the merger. The company's hope, they showed a strong hand (bluffed with minimal risk) while hopefully got the pilots to blink and reduce their expectations.
Negotiating 101: negotiate from a position of power (even if you don't really have it).
BTW, I do get and read all the ALPA emails. I was aware of the station visits.
Frats,
Lee
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