Karl give it a rest!

 

I hear so many pilots whining about getting a "huge pay raise" and "industry leading rates" but cannot find anyone spelling out exactly WHY they deserve (command) them. When my son was 5 or 6 years old, he used to bemoan the fact that his older brother had "more than him" and that it wasn't fair. Later, he bemoaned the fact that his brother was always getting on base when he struck out. Eventually he learned that he must be a "performer" if he expected to get to the top. HE GREW UP!

IAH FLYR is a smart man. He is on to something and others simply call him names. The fact of the matter is that UAL pilots HELPED drive their company into BK with C2000. It wasn't the sole reason, but a contributor nonetheless. UAL pilots are burnt out. They DO DESERVE A BIG RAISE, IMHO (if they can/will command it). However, they cannot really tell you why. Somebody on here said that C2000 was a good starting point.

BULL $HIT ! ! !

You want more for mgmnt to beat you up with when the economy gets even nastier? Sorry, but airline pilots can't get paid $325K/yr and work 5-7 months out of the year.

IT'S JUST NOT, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

You want GOOD, TOP rates? Get your pathetic union to divide the work evenly among the pilot group, pay to seniority for about 5 years, then have all pilots have the same (or near-same) QOL. Because, let's face it, they're doing the same job!

But ALPA will NOT do that! They will find a way to take care of their bread and butter pilots (SENIOR DUDES). They ALWAYS figure out a way to do just that.

Mark my words!

Best,

JD

 

Who got paid 325K/yr and only worked 5 months?

You want to do away with seniority under a seniority based system?

Just asking?

 

iahflyr,

Excellent points! UAL pilots helped drive themselves into BK. Some will NEVER admit it because they are like children. They want it all, they want it now, and they want it because....well, just BECUZ ! ! !

Sadly, most UAL pilots have failed to think for themselves and have gone along with everything ALPA has told them.

Don't forget, C2000 was not a huge failure because of the pay rates. It was a huge failure becasue the pilots produced VERY LITTLE under the work rule language of that pathetic contract!

Yes, you are on to something! NEVER abandon your ideals. Never let a union or a company tell you how or what to think!! Good job!

JD

 

777 & 400 captains were getting top dollar using vac override and sick drops. This equated to about 300-325K/yr while flying only 6-7 months out of the year. It's a fact.

 

Would like to use seniority for only about 5 years to make sure a pilot is really committed to the company. After that, the field should be leveled. IMHO

 

iahflyr,

Excellent points! UAL pilots helped drive themselves into BK. Some will NEVER admit it because they are like children. They want it all, they want it now, and they want it because....well, just BECUZ ! ! !

Sadly, most UAL pilots have failed to think for themselves and have gone along with everything ALPA has told them.

Don't forget, C2000 was not a huge failure because of the pay rates. It was a huge failure because the pilots produced VERY LITTLE under the work rule language of that pathetic contract!

Yes, you are onto something! NEVER abandon your ideals. Never let a union or a company tell you how or what to think!! Good job!

JD

 

777 & 400 captains were getting top dollar using vac override and sick drops. This equated to about 300-325K/yr while flying only 6-7 months out of the year. It's a fact.

 

What is vacation "override"? Are you insinuating UAL pilots got paid an hourly bonus above hourly rates to take vacation or to call in sick?

I hope ALPA can get that for us

Did you work for United and were you one of these guys?

If not I would like to hear first hand from a UAL 777 or 747 captain from 2000.

 

You aren't an active line pilot are you?

So Under your scenario what happens after 5 years when MGT makes some bad financial decisions which requires a furlough?
The seniority system Commits the Pilot to the Company. If I could leave Company A after 5 Years and go to Company B and make the same $$ without a PAY or QOL cut, you would see Pilots jumping ship. In other words there would be no loyalty whatsoever. Of course the way many Airline MGTs have dealt with their employees, not just Pilots, Loyalty has gone the way of the Dinsoaur.