100-200 UAL furloughees to CAL
07-20-2011 | 05:58 PM
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07-20-2011 | 07:04 PM
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These smell like rhetorical questions, so
have it your way then...
Come on over, it is super here at CAL. I'm sure you will have a hard time resisting the urge to thank Jeff himself for this wonderful opportunity he has presented you.
I hope you aren't one of those guys who consider this a recall, because this is actually just preferential hiring at a sh!tty airline.
have it your way then...
Come on over, it is super here at CAL. I'm sure you will have a hard time resisting the urge to thank Jeff himself for this wonderful opportunity he has presented you.
I hope you aren't one of those guys who consider this a recall, because this is actually just preferential hiring at a sh!tty airline.
07-20-2011 | 07:29 PM
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07-20-2011 | 08:02 PM
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Damn, I feel like William Wallace!
07-20-2011 | 09:14 PM
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Slick,
I too appreciate your candor. Obviously, your CAL job is better than no job...BUT, there is a huge cost in QOL. Depending on circumstances and expectations, there is a huge range of how good a "deal" this opportunity is.
I can "pay my dues" for a year or two if I believe I will progress upward steadily to a decent career with benefits of seniority, etc...BUT I have gone down that road twice at UAL only to be s#$tcanned and having to start all over. I just don't know how long I could stomach the CAL rules as a commuter.
I too appreciate your candor. Obviously, your CAL job is better than no job...BUT, there is a huge cost in QOL. Depending on circumstances and expectations, there is a huge range of how good a "deal" this opportunity is.
I can "pay my dues" for a year or two if I believe I will progress upward steadily to a decent career with benefits of seniority, etc...BUT I have gone down that road twice at UAL only to be s#$tcanned and having to start all over. I just don't know how long I could stomach the CAL rules as a commuter.
07-21-2011 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by captd2000:1026090
These smell like rhetorical questions, so
have it your way then...
Come on over, it is super here at CAL. I'm sure you will have a hard time resisting the urge to thank Jeff himself for this wonderful opportunity he has presented you.
I hope you aren't one of those guys who consider this a recall, because this is actually just preferential hiring at a sh!tty airline.
have it your way then...
Come on over, it is super here at CAL. I'm sure you will have a hard time resisting the urge to thank Jeff himself for this wonderful opportunity he has presented you.
I hope you aren't one of those guys who consider this a recall, because this is actually just preferential hiring at a sh!tty airline.
07-21-2011 | 06:11 AM
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Ok if I go to cal at the bottom of the list and then the SLI goes through, now all the people above me get recalled do I get pushed to the street and do I get credit for the service for pay if longevity does not get put in the contract?
07-21-2011 | 06:37 AM
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First question I think is a definate "No". There can't be recalls unless there are vacancies to fill. Vacancies can be generated through retirements, attrition, improved work rules or growth.
The second question is an unknown. I've asked Ted the furlough coordinator and he did not have an answer to that question. I doubt it happens, but the best outcome for us would be longevity credit for furlough time. I don't see the negotiators giving up anything to achieve that. The second best outcome would be to add the time in service at CAL to whatever time in service you have at UAL for pay purposes. Worst case is you return to where you left off at UAL (assuming your time at CAL is less than your time at UAL).
07-21-2011 | 12:31 PM
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First question I think is a definate "No". There can't be recalls unless there are vacancies to fill. Vacancies can be generated through retirements, attrition, improved work rules or growth.
The second question is an unknown. I've asked Ted the furlough coordinator and he did not have an answer to that question. I doubt it happens, but the best outcome for us would be longevity credit for furlough time. I don't see the negotiators giving up anything to achieve that. The second best outcome would be to add the time in service at CAL to whatever time in service you have at UAL for pay purposes. Worst case is you return to where you left off at UAL (assuming your time at CAL is less than your time at UAL).
The second question is an unknown. I've asked Ted the furlough coordinator and he did not have an answer to that question. I doubt it happens, but the best outcome for us would be longevity credit for furlough time. I don't see the negotiators giving up anything to achieve that. The second best outcome would be to add the time in service at CAL to whatever time in service you have at UAL for pay purposes. Worst case is you return to where you left off at UAL (assuming your time at CAL is less than your time at UAL).
I spoke with TODD about my situation.Also, this is NOT a "recall". It's good news for those who need a job though!!!
As far as the seniority, re-furloughed thing, I wouldn't say definitely "NO". I thought of the same situation.
07-21-2011 | 06:18 PM
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Ted is a furloughed pilot working in HQ as company furlough coordinator (and also the name of a really bad idea for a low cost carrier subsidiary). Todd is paid by ALPA as furlough coordinator. Hopefully, Ted and Todd have similar information! Both have been very helpful answering my questions, too!
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