No Lee. We were talking about 7-B (job opportunities). 7-B is NOT included in 13A and so the company CANNOT cancel 7-B without ALPA concurrence (TA termination). IOW, the UAL furloughees that take a CAL job will still be paid their UAL furlough rate. I am well aware of the 13A potential, but that was not the point.

Sled

 

Poor wording on my part. Scheds cannot "decide" to waive your rest. They cannot assign you another trip with less than 14 hrs block to block unless you are the ONLY reserve available. In the last 5 years and 4 months of straight reserve I have never had this happen. 14 hours in domicile between trips is WAAAAY better than 10 or 11 at CAL, wouldn't you agree?? As for the pilot not being able to waive the 14 block to block...I agree. Sometimes this is a pain in the arse for aggresive pick up. If you block in from an assignment, and you want to pick up a trip that departs 13:59 later, no can do...even if you call scheds. They cannot waive it either if there are reserves available.

Sled

 

Just curious if furloughed pilots have access to the T&PA because a lot of the answers can be found there. This is pretty simple and seems to have created a lot of confusion. You get paid the HIGHER of your last UAL pay rate or your longevity pay rate at CAL. With zero YOS (year 1) when you start at CAL, your UAL pay rate when you were furloughed will apply since you were there many years.

Again, this is all covered in the T&PA. There will be NO wait period for health benefits for a United pilot coming to Continental. All benefits will start immediately.

7-B. Job Opportunities.
(i) If either Continental or United intends to hire new Pilots, it will first offer
employment to fill such positions in seniority order to Pilots on furlough from the other Airline. Acceptance or rejection of such an offer or failure to qualify will not affect a Pilot’s recall rights or placement on the Integrated Seniority List (which shall be based upon his seniority position at the Pilot’s originating Airline). A Pilot accepting an offer under this provision will be subject to the normal background and employment requirements of the employing Airline. The Pilot will be an employee of the employing Airline, within the applicable ALPA council for that Airline, but will not be required to serve or complete a probation period. Such Pilot will be paid the greater of (1) the actual hourly pay rate he was receiving on the date of his furlough, or (2) the hourly pay rate to which his years of service at the employing Airline otherwise entitles.

(ii) No Pilot shall be entitled to more than two (2) offers of employment pursuant to this Section 7-B. If a Pilot declines the first offer, the employing Airline will not contact him for a second offer until he provides at least thirty (30) days notice to the employing Airline in writing of his desire to re-enter the hiring process. At that time he will be eligible for the next available offer in seniority order.

(iii) Pilots employed pursuant to this Section 7-B will exercise seniority for all purposes at the employing Airline in the seniority order of their originating Airline but junior to all Pilots who were on the seniority list of the employing Airline prior to the Merger Agreement Date. Upon implementation of the ISL Pilots will exercise seniority pursuant to their position on the ISL. All Pilots hired by the employing Airline after the Merger Agreement Date who are not Pilots employed pursuant to this Section 7-B will exercise their seniority for all purposes junior to all Pilots who were on either seniority list prior to the Merger Agreement Date.

(iv) Notwithstanding Section 27, Part 2.A.2, B.2 or C.2 of the Continental CBA, all Pilots on either the United Pilots’ or Continental Pilots’ Seniority List as of the Effective Date of this Agreement employed by Continental shall be eligible for Medical, Dental and Vision Plan coverage on the Pilot’s first day of Active Service.

 

Oh, I agree because it is worse than that!

Domicile rest in EWR = 10 hours
Domicile rest in IAH/CLE = 9 hours

With the LAX base open now, I can't find anything that indicates the minimum domicile rest for that base. It's not covered in our contract or in the T&PA so something was missed. I'm sure scheduling uses the number that favors the company...9 hours.

 

Honest question.....What happens to any future hiring ('recall', or whatever the MEC's what to spin the title as) when/if the "Sunset Date" comes about on the TA that is currently in place??

Hoping that I am wrong.....but I'm a firm believer that a JCBA will not see the day of light during 2011. Assuming this is the case, what will happen to the TA section 7 "Job Op" section/provisions IF the JNC's negotiations continue well into 2012? My only concern is the company will "TRY" and use that section's rights (Future Job Ops) 'against' the Pilot Group(s) in future dealings after any "Sunset Date" on the TA comes about. Can anyone clarify/shed light on how this may work? IE-UAL or CAL going outside the Furloughed Pilots in offering 'off the street' pilots jobs for future staffing while JNC negotiations continue.

One thing I am confident, both Pilot Groups as they stand have been slapped/beat/punched for quite sometime. I would hope that the company's smoke-mirrors game of dangling the above mentioned threat over future proceedings/negotiations would be whole-heartedly snubbed knowing that we all have a MUCH bigger reward which we ALL need, and that's the industry leading JCBA.

To those Furloughs that want to come back to flying at CAL, I am glad to see they are afforded the opportunity if you so choose......but to those who find constraints of being on the bottom of the CAL SL - "Reserve" with the current CBA rules, I don't blame you one bit. It does present it's "challenges" (IE-$h1t-sandwich) living under the reserve rules, especially those who are commuting coast to coast.

Best to all, especially to those Furloughed Pilots making decisions in being 'offered' CAL Pilot Positions.

 

Geez, Slick...why haven't you quit yet?

 

Slick, How long have you been unemployed for? How many times? How long have you gone without health insurance?

 

These smell like rhetorical questions, so
have it your way then...
Come on over, it is super here at CAL. I'm sure you will have a hard time resisting the urge to thank Jeff himself for this wonderful opportunity he has presented you.
I hope you aren't one of those guys who consider this a recall, because this is actually just preferential hiring at a sh!tty airline.

 

I will as soon as I get a caill from above mentioned airline, or my construction career takes off, which ever happens first.

 

So in other words your never leaving.