Fool Me Twice

Thanks for the update. When you say bid early Dec or Jan, are you talking about another vacancy bid at CAL? Would this preclude more job offers? Sorry if it seems like a basic question, but I am trying to understand as I go along.

FMT

Old UCAL CA

We have what's known as a system bid aproximately every six months that looks out for 12 months. The DEC/JAN system bid will look out 12 months towards the end of 2012/early 2013 which should start to account for age 65 retirements starting to kick in.

SoCalGuy

To add to the above....

CAL's present CBA dictates that there will be ("contractually", not that this means too much these days w/ our current Mgt) TWO system/equipment bids every year. "Historically" they happen in the 'early' and 'mid' point of each calendar year, but can happen at other times within the calendar year. This is not to say that there can't be more than 2 bids annually if something dictates....IE further expansion, or a 'reduction bid', which could lead in the direction that no one wants...

flyingfarmer

She indicated that the bid will start to account for retirements. However, she also said there are rumors about possibly parking the 500's; but that rumor has been around for some time ... At least from my former COEX days in the early post 9/11 days. She indicated continued hiring and training for the foreseeable future due to pipeline constraints .

dvhighdrive88

By now many may have gotten the email from the United furlough rep stating info about Guam and junior/senior information, however unfortunately there wasn't any concrete bypass numbers.

We have heard several times lately that the BOTH October classes were filled by the first 100 calls with the Guam slots by 123 down the list.

The email today changes that to only one class filled (Otober 4th) and the junior Guam taker at 158.

So to recap and get a grip on things, how many were in the October 4th class, how many are in the later October class and if so do we still know how many calls they had to make to fill that first class? Trying to figure a bypass ratio. Filling two classes in 100 calls is one thing, but only having filled one class (12 or 16 seats right?) so far and accelerating the letter sending to 250 per shot rather than 100 could indicate the bypass and acceptance ratio is considerably higher than many have been speculating.

Add to that the reports here that Continetal folks are saying the whole list may gone through to get the 178 or more, suggests a ratio of closer to 8 to 1 and that a 50% bypass percentage is already being generated by military defers.

Still hard to believe this might be the case but can everybody jump in here and either correct my numbers or refute the possibility that info is emerging that is suggesting the bypass ratio may be much higher than the 3 or 4 to 1?

Maybe I am looking at the data wrong. Thanks. DV

Andy

Thanks for the notice on the e-mail. I liked Ted's comment about the active pilots getting Continental job offers.

First, don't assume that the number 99 accepting a domestic domicile is going into the first Oct class. I don't read the e-mail that way; I read it that they sent out two batches of letters - one for Guam only and another for domestic domiciles for any non-Guamer (not a word but hopefully conveys my intent). The letter seeking Guamers went to a lot more than 100 furloughees. The letter going out for domestic domiciles only went to 100 furloughees. So number 99 accepting a domestic domicile may be assigned to the second class. Does this make sense?
Going forward, they will send out letters in batches of 250 starting next week. So a total of 350 will receive offers for domestic domiciles, with plans to fill Nov and Dec classes.

Second, I don't see the military deferral number remaining that high for reasons I've already posted.

Third, many deferrals may accept later classes due to: 1) having current job committments or 2) want to get some bodies beneath them before accepting recall.

I'm not trying to be too negative but I also don't want to get peoples' hopes up on when they'll see a recall. I'm probably going to barely miss the second batch of 250 letters but I will be near the top of the following set of 250 letters. At this point, I think it's a bit too early to calculate recall percentages. I can see reasons for both high and low bypass rates.
The good news that I read in all of this is that it sounds like they'll keep a training pipeline flowing after the 178 slots. I'll feel a lot better when I see that Continental is accepting newhire applications ... I don't expect to see any recalls on the United side for a while. Once United recalls happen, it'll be a cluster and the company had better be willing to throw us double furloughees a bone to not royally screw up their training cycles.

Tony Nelson

I'm still waiting for a recall to start.

dvhighdrive88

We still don't know how many they called to fill the first class. What does it matter really in the long run anyway. Will be what it be.

flyingfarmer

I have received no email... Normally, I get all MEC, Council 11, and ALPA blastmail. Would someone please post the email or pm me the email.

Thanks

FurloughedX2

I wanted to go to the local MEC Chairman Road Show today, but couldn't make it. I wanted to ask Wendy if they are trying to get us furloughed guys longevity credit for the furlough time!

On another note, I only get ALPA and LEC emails. Haven't received anything regarding the CAL job opportunity either.....