UAL/CAL Merger - Lets get back on Track
03-01-2012 | 06:39 PM
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Questions like this are going to be left to the Merger Committees and the arbitration panel. Arguments will be made for both sides and the arbitrators will decide. One obvious response to the growth you claim will bring Capt bids below the UAL furlough line is that the 'growth' is in UAL DOMICILES. I think your claim to this 'expansion' is tenuous at best.
Seriously, this course you're on is doing nothing but causing agitation --is that your goal?
Seriously, this course you're on is doing nothing but causing agitation --is that your goal?
03-01-2012 | 08:00 PM
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Actually, we already have CA's that are 2005 hires, so we're well beyond your furlough cutoff point. Every post causes agitation on these forums, so what are we supposed to talk about? That being said, doesn't it concern you at all that the "growth" all seems to be on the CAL side? Why do you think that is? Just asking............ Going to be hard for an arbitration panel to say UAL pilots futures are brighter when things have been going backwards there for so long. JMHO.........
03-01-2012 | 08:30 PM
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From: Le Bus
Actually, we already have CA's that are 2005 hires, so we're well beyond your furlough cutoff point. Every post causes agitation on these forums, so what are we supposed to talk about? That being said, doesn't it concern you at all that the "growth" all seems to be on the CAL side? Why do you think that is? Just asking............ Going to be hard for an arbitration panel to say UAL pilots futures are brighter when things have been going backwards there for so long. JMHO.........
Let's leave the decision making to the varsity squad.
03-01-2012 | 08:50 PM
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From: EWR B737FO
I don't think there is any growth on the CAL side. Just a movement of people and airplanes. The a/c coming are replacements. A good bet is that CAL was understaffed before and are now trying to catch up. The TPA has a flight time ratio limits. Ask your LEC rep or read the TPA.
03-02-2012 | 05:06 AM
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Once United, facts are that CAL has been adding aircraft for years and parked some, but the net has/ is increase in seat capacity and the types of seats being sold e.g. more first class...NG vs classics. Diff in 800/900/900 ER seats is min 46 to max of 59 additional seats vice a 500. Not to even mention, fuel efficiency and performance. So, perhaps the way you view growth may be a little skewed. Would agree that we've been understaffed for sometime on the 737 , not so much on the other aircraft, so I'm glad we are "catching up"..
03-02-2012 | 06:56 AM
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From: EWR B737FO
Don't care about more fuel efficient, performance, greater seating capacity or replacing 767 with 737's. The point is "Flight time ratio". I don't know the limits, but the company can't add time at one and take from the other. You are proud of the accoplishments CAL has made over the last few years and that's good, but the simple fact is without a JCBA it means "Nothing" to the pilot group.
03-02-2012 | 07:10 AM
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03-02-2012 | 07:13 AM
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Once United, if I understand your " flight ratio" and mergers . UA had limited protections relating to flying ratios prior to the TPA. CAL had protections already in our contractural language. Hence TPA, for both single and twin aisle ratios...UA got 90% ratio protection to CAL and CAL has 100% or greater to UA, of what they were prior to seperate operations. The 100 % was already in our contract.
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