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09-14-2012 | 09:44 AM

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cadetdrivr

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Originally Posted by tailwheel48

As is 'career expectations'. It's hard to make the argument that guys who are/were flying as Captains, with reasonable career expectations, should be placed behind guys who were furloughed, who had zero career expectations!

Just saying.

Just because a pilot was furloughed does not mean they have ZERO career expectations. Their name is on the seniority list, no? If you can extrapolate a "career" for one pilot on the list you can extrapolate it for every pilot on the list.

Just saying.

09-14-2012 | 11:17 AM

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liquid

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Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett

P.S. I hear Longevity is in the JCBA/AIP and it is part of ALPA merger policy---something to think about as all the 2005 CAL hires try to grab up all the Capt seats.

Longevity for what? just an honest question.

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09-14-2012 | 11:45 AM

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Dave Fitzgerald

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Try 3-day trips worth 10 hrs. Lots of those on the UAL 757 west coast...

09-14-2012 | 02:28 PM

#134

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Originally Posted by liquid

Longevity for what? just an honest question.

liquid

I think he's talking about the seniority list integration (SLI).

After the USAir debacle (where ALPA lost two major airlines) ALPA changed the merger policy to make longevity a player in determining SLI. Many CAL guys don't like to hear it, but longevity will be taken into account.

It won't be a "Date of Hire" list....but you can't put a 5 year guy in front of a 15 year guy very easily.

Longevity, Career expectations, and "No Major Windfalls" all must be taken into account.

The final list should be balanced out by all 3, but anything can happen depending on who's in the room negotiating.

09-14-2012 | 03:21 PM

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I hope they are talking longevity in PAY for furloughees. (i.e., for me to come back at 5 year FO pay). Like DAL/NWA....

09-14-2012 | 03:37 PM

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liquid

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Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive

I hope they are talking longevity in PAY for furloughees. (i.e., for me to come back at 5 year FO pay). Like DAL/NWA....

That we can agree on.

liquid

09-14-2012 | 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr

As of the date of the merger, they really did have zero career expectations. But if you want to play semantics, there career expectations were way below those who were on property.

Anyway, we can pontificate till hell freezes over, but we'll just have to wait and see!

09-14-2012 | 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett

DOH 8/99

When the SLI is complete I will probably bid the 756.....the plane I was flying BEFORE this merger with UAL Tulip on the side.

P.S. I hear Longevity is in the JCBA/AIP and it is part of ALPA merger policy---something to think about as all the 2005 CAL hires try to grab up all the Capt seats.

--Just saying.

Grabbing captain seats! Typical scabs!