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09-17-2012 | 08:46 AM
#231
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When I was on the 767 and 777, the FO's said 737 captain wasn't worth the pay. They got very little more, but lost days off. No one mentioned the work rules. Our contract and work rules apply to all aircraft. I'm not saying the work rules are good, I'm saying the senior FO's don't want to give up days off for a small payraise. Some hate domestic flying. Some hate the 737. To each his own.
09-17-2012 | 09:08 AM
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Yes, and they weren't stapled. They were integrated with everyone else based on career expectations. NWA received credit from the arbitrator for future retirements, while DAL received credit for more WB flying. There were other factors as well. It was a complicated ruling. I has to read the arbitrators decision several times. 
Very interesting stuff here!
09-17-2012 | 03:06 PM
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Don't know where he ended up on the list, but he was furloughed, then was brought back at longevity as though he never left.
09-17-2012 | 03:33 PM
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09-17-2012 | 03:52 PM
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I have a question. I have heard a lot about all of those 737's being parked and the claim that it was "for the merger" even though it occurred prior to the merger announcement with CAL. The "large widebody order" was also just prior to the merger announcement but nobody likes to talk about that. This "order" was obviously a bone thrown to UAL-ALPA by Tilton as it will be used as an argument by the UALALPA Merger Committee in their argument during SLI talks. Which argument do you guys want "on the record" as you can't have both. You either claim the airline was "rightsizing" for the merger or you claim that United had its own growth plans and these A-350's and 787's were key tools in the modernization of the UAL fleet(these were all replacement aircraft anyway).
This latest grievance which referred to CAL as an "affiliate" airline (skywest, expressjet, mesa etc) was laughable at best. If that doesn't show just how arrogant the UAL-MEC is I don't know what does. IAH-787 was announced years ago and the TPA allowed the 787 to be flown out of EWR as well in the future should that be needed.
This latest grievance which referred to CAL as an "affiliate" airline (skywest, expressjet, mesa etc) was laughable at best. If that doesn't show just how arrogant the UAL-MEC is I don't know what does. IAH-787 was announced years ago and the TPA allowed the 787 to be flown out of EWR as well in the future should that be needed.
What was you question anyway?
09-17-2012 | 04:28 PM
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Yes, and they weren't stapled. They were integrated with everyone else based on career expectations. NWA received credit from the arbitrator for future retirements, while DAL received credit for more WB flying. There were other factors as well. It was a complicated ruling. I has to read the arbitrators decision several times.
See above, all pilots were placed on the list as if they were "active".
09-17-2012 | 05:30 PM
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09-17-2012 | 05:55 PM
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They are junior, but not super junior. Number 3000 out of 5000 is not super junior. With retirements soon to come they will be even more senior. They may seem junior date of hire, but not in %.
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