Why always about size--bigger planes, bigger airline? You know that has zero difference in career expectations? If a 30 year old pilot at one airline is furloughed for 5 years, flies narrow FO for 10, narrow CA for 10, then wide FO and CA for the last 10, while pilot at the other airline is a narrow CA at year five and remains there until 65, who do you think at more career earnings--I.e, expectations?

 

I sincerely hope you are right Chris.

 

Because it was a merger of two pilot seniority list and not a merging of two "active" pilot seniority list.

 

Or, how about an airline that has approximately the same number of widebody FOs and narrowbody CAs because each widebody pushes back with 3 or 4 FOs? How does the QOL (i.e. "expectations") compare between working 14-18 days a month or 9-14 days a month at a pay rate within dollars of each other?

More than one way to skin the cat.....

 

Totally agree. If CAL and UAL pilots have similar annual pay and benefits, which they seem to, $187k vs $184k*, but the UAL pilot worked 12% less to get it**, then that's certainly a countable factor in an SLI.

*http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...Equivalent.htm

**http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...er%20Month.htm

Advantage UAL on this item IMO.

 

Out of curiosity, where is a 11-2005 hire at by % on the CAL seniority list?

 

ISSL DAL/NWA ........

Constructing the Integrated System Seniority List

The ISSL has been constructed from the pre-merger Delta and pre-merger
Northwest pilot seniority lists in effect on November 1, 2008, as provided to the Panel
by the parties, in the manner set forth below. The relative position of each pilot on the
pre-merger lists remained unchanged on the ISSL.

1. All pilots on long-term sick leave (12 months or longer) were removed
from the pre-merger lists.

2. The 274 oldest Northwest pilots were removed from the pre-merger list.

3. The first 3045 positions on the ISSL were filled with the first 1961 Delta
pilots and 1084 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
1961:1084 beginning with a Delta pilot.

4. The next 2433 positions on the ISSL were filled with the next 1313 Delta
pilots and 1120 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
1313:1120 beginning with a Delta pilot.

5. The next 3932 positions on the ISSL were filled with the next 2580 Delta
pilots and 1352 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
2580:1352 beginning with a Delta pilot.

6. The ISSL was completed with Delta and Northwest pilots remaining on the
pre-merger lists in a ratio of 1314:957 Delta to Northwest pilots beginning
with a Delta pilot until both pre-merger lists are exhausted subject to
paragraph 7, below.

7. All pilots with dates of hire after April 14, 2008, were placed at the bottom
of the ISSL in order of date of hire.

8. The Northwest pilots pulled in paragraph 2. were inserted directly above
the next junior Northwest pilot.

9. The pilots on long-term sick leave pulled in paragraph 1. were inserted
directly above the next junior pilot on his/her respective pre-merger list.


DAL-NWA Seniority Integration Arbitration (*.pdf)

 

None at DAL, I don't think any at NWA either, everyone had either accepted or bypassed at DAL for sure by the merger.

 

About 70-72% system wide and able to hold any FO position on any plane in any domicile. About 50-60 numbers from 737CA in EWR and IAH (and fairly close to GUM 737CA).

 

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