Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1302432)

Well you've openly accused your reps of lying to you, caving on the contract, and providing you with misleading information. Have you attended a roadshow?

Originally Posted by Tony Nelson (Post 1302377)

Great. So even though everyone is working under the same contract the furloughees still get screwed. Nice.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by emrickman (Post 1303585)

Ther is nothing preventing Ual from recalling now. Most likely they will wait until the vacancies left after the Vacancy bid system wide after SLI.

One thing to think of as a UAL furloughee/cal new hire is if you are on the property that date, that vacancy bid will be your "recall" to UAL.
If you are not on the property yet than the rate of recalls may depend on the "vacancies" unfilled . As more and more new hires on the street come on the CAL property, this will delay the rate at which the UAL guys are recalled.

If you are debating needing to come back this year, I would come back now to the Cal side to be in place for that bid. If you are secure in a grat job, then wait it out.

Eric

Originally Posted by Tony Nelson (Post 1303597)

Can s-UA wait 6-9 months for the SLI to be complete before recalling. They have unfilled vacancies now.

Originally Posted by emrickman (Post 1303635)

Best guess from Jay H is that yes they will try and wait it out. Rumors persist about sooner, but I won't believe it until that first guy actually starts training at TK.

Yes they have vacancies, but it will reek havoc on the Cal side if they pull them over before SLI.

Admiral

Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 1303612)

Coto

Are you being lied to? I don't know but if you are hired in 2008 and are currently working at 8 year pay then that is what you will get. Your post is a bit disingenuous because you really don't spell out your longevity and work situation.

Are you at sUAL or sCAL right now?
What is your current sUAL pay status? Or how many years of service as a sUAL pilot for pay purposes (do not include furlough time)?

Now with those answers here is what you should have recieved in official communication


4. Longevity clause of LOA 25 opens up all furloughees at SLI to be stapled below 2008 CAL hires. Also has the potential for negatively affecting all UAL pilots in the SLI.

No. The fact that CAL has no furloughed pilots at all is what places our 1436 in a precarious position. This TA does nothing to expand upon that disquieting fact. How that could be extended to the rest of the United list is a mystery. What is also a mystery is why anyone would try to handicap our Merger Committee’s case before it has had a chance to go forward?

Instead, what the author would suggest is that it is okay to continue to enslave our furloughed pilots who have chosen to go to Continental as new hires, currently on 1st and 2nd year pay, and keep them from immediately achieving 5th year pay at DOS of the new Agreement, doubling pay for many of them. All this would happen before seniority list integration (SLI), with a further adjustment based upon the resulting integrated seniority list (ISL). Afterwards, they will be paid based upon all the longevity they actually earned, plus all credit re-gained per LOA 25 for time on furlough. Apparently the author would prefer to defer recalls and watch Continental hire pilots off the street rather than have our furloughees take those jobs at 5th year pay.

The author has made the same error as a similarly hysterical viral-letter about the furloughs. The facts are that LOA 25 talks about longevity credit for pay for time on the street, it does not talk about seniority and it does not take away any longevity earned in the actual operation at UAL or CAL.

There has been a lot written, both official and from the NO voters about LOA25 and officially I have not seen where ANY PILOT WILL LOSE sUAL LONGEVITY for pay, in fact it appears some will actually GAIN LONGEVITY based on the finale outcome of the ISL.

I do understand not trusting what has been said from both sides and I have no idea if the LOA will change if the vote is NO. Personally I see bigger issues many of the NO voters will want changed and possibly at the cost of the LOA.

Originally Posted by Coto Pilot (Post 1303600)

If you wait to be recalled to the United side, then you will not lose longevity credit for the time you actually spent at United. I was hired at United in 2000 and spent 7.5 years on the property getting 8 year pay. Upon signing the agreement, I will get 5 year pay. Although the United MEC is claiming that we will all get credit for our time at UAL + CAL, no one can show me where this is written. The SPSC reps have told me that a CAL pilot hired the same day that I was, and also furloughed for a number of years, will get full longevity credit for his years on furlough upon signing.