Help on the United Application
10-08-2012 | 08:31 AM
#21
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From: next to chronic complainers...
Once published, your application is available for update anytime you want to make changes. UA will look at application before selecting candidate for interview, and print actual application just days before interview for applicant to sign most up to date information.
10-08-2012 | 02:25 PM
#22
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From: Delta Gear Slinger
I see a lot of confusion about Criminal info and Driving info section; below is a simple explanation what's expected in those two sections.
In the section about "criminal record" at the end there is (non-traffic violations only) note, Indicate only the "heavy" stuff, DO NOT INCLUDE TRAFFIC TICKETS!
Criminal would be:
Misdemeanor: petty theft, prostitution, public intoxication, simple assault, disorderly conduct, trespass, vandalism, possession of marijuana, first-time possession of certain drugs (depends on State or county), restraining orders, etc
Felony: Arson, Burglary, Computer Crime, Criminal Impersonation, Criminal Mischief, False Imprisonment, Forgery, Menacing, Perjury, Robbery, Stalking, Theft, Trespass, Cultivation of Marijuana, Unlawful Use of a Controlled Substance, Unlawful Possession with Intent to Distribute a Controlled Substance, Assault, Child Abuse, Criminally, Negligent Homicide, Domestic Violence, Manslaughter, Murder.
From Airlineapps.com
*************
Criminal Information:
In the past ten (10) years, have you ever been convicted of a crime involving a felony, misdemeanor, infraction, or violation of any law? Please exclude all traffic violations.
Yes No
If yes, explain all details (Non-Traffic violations only):
***************
All your driving record stuff goes to "My Driving Record". This section is divided into General, Infractions, and Criminal.
General - self explanatory, your DL number, type, etc.
Minor moving violations go to (Infractions), such as: speeding tickets, unsafe passing, impending traffic flow, operating vehicle without required or broken equipment, etc.
All other more serious violations go to (Criminal), such as: Vehicular Assault, Vehicular Homicide, DUI, DWI, hit and run, reckless / unsafe driving, suspensions of license, revocation of license, etc.
I hope this helps...
In the section about "criminal record" at the end there is (non-traffic violations only) note, Indicate only the "heavy" stuff, DO NOT INCLUDE TRAFFIC TICKETS!
Criminal would be:
Misdemeanor: petty theft, prostitution, public intoxication, simple assault, disorderly conduct, trespass, vandalism, possession of marijuana, first-time possession of certain drugs (depends on State or county), restraining orders, etc
Felony: Arson, Burglary, Computer Crime, Criminal Impersonation, Criminal Mischief, False Imprisonment, Forgery, Menacing, Perjury, Robbery, Stalking, Theft, Trespass, Cultivation of Marijuana, Unlawful Use of a Controlled Substance, Unlawful Possession with Intent to Distribute a Controlled Substance, Assault, Child Abuse, Criminally, Negligent Homicide, Domestic Violence, Manslaughter, Murder.
From Airlineapps.com
*************
Criminal Information:
In the past ten (10) years, have you ever been convicted of a crime involving a felony, misdemeanor, infraction, or violation of any law? Please exclude all traffic violations.
Yes No
If yes, explain all details (Non-Traffic violations only):
***************
All your driving record stuff goes to "My Driving Record". This section is divided into General, Infractions, and Criminal.
General - self explanatory, your DL number, type, etc.
Minor moving violations go to (Infractions), such as: speeding tickets, unsafe passing, impending traffic flow, operating vehicle without required or broken equipment, etc.
All other more serious violations go to (Criminal), such as: Vehicular Assault, Vehicular Homicide, DUI, DWI, hit and run, reckless / unsafe driving, suspensions of license, revocation of license, etc.
I hope this helps...
10-08-2012 | 05:51 PM
#23
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From: 747 Captain, retired
Remember this, Military Pilots are trained how to write detailed reports like bomb assessments and collateral damage assessments...and they are DARN good at it
10-10-2012 | 08:05 AM
#24
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From: next to chronic complainers...
About 7+ years ago, right after I started my first airlineapps.com application, I paid for interview prep over the phone specifically asking about application process. I got some pointers from them how to fill up an airlineapps.com application; including break down with A/C classification and type, since I had foreign military flying and US commercial, etc. One of the problems they pointed out was selection with moving violation confusion, since some pilots go to court and this is where it gets confusing. I had one speeding ticket, that I argue in court and won. Didn't know how to put it on my application.
10-10-2012 | 09:14 AM
#26
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From: next to chronic complainers...
I would be as honest as I can and explain the situation during interview.
Below is a copy from application:
______________________________
Criminal Information:
In the past ten (10) years, have you ever been convicted of a crime involving a felony, misdemeanor, infraction, or violation of any law? Please exclude all traffic violations.
Driving History:
Please enter any information concerning driving violations. Include all infractions involving payment of fines, court appearances, and/or assessed penalties. If none, please continue to the next page.
For each violation, complete the form below and click the Add button to record the information.
Criminal Driving Record:
Please enter all criminal driving activity below and click the Save Changes button to record your information.
_______________________________
For all your "criminal info" anything above 10 years is excluded per application requirements.
However, for your driving record I would include anything you can remember.
Apply for NDR and see what is indicated. Local DMV will only indicate state violations, NDR will include all states.
If it doesn't show up, it's your call, how much or how little you want to put on your application.
10-11-2012 | 07:43 AM
#28
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From: Cap'n
The answer is absolutely yes. But not due to the "non- TSR Criminal" sub-section in the PERSONAL DATA section where there is a "10 year" limit, but because of the section in the addendum where it says this:
** ANSWER THIS QUESTION HONESTLY, WHETHER OR NOT YOU BELIEVE YOU PRESENTLY SHOW A CONVICTION ON YOUR CRIMINAL RECORD AND WHETHER OR NOT YOUR LAWYER TOLD YOU SOMETHING WOULD NOT COUNT.
16. Have you:
A) Ever been convicted or is there now pending against you a misdemeanor or felony (civil or military charge);
B) Received deferred adjudication (even if your case was later dismissed);
C) Been part of any sort of diversion program in lieu of a conviction (even if your case was later dismissed);
OR
D) Paid a fine/ performed community service/ served any jail time?
Yes No
If yes, please explain:
This has no time expiration and should be disclosed as requested. The word "ever" pretty much sums it all up.
10-11-2012 | 08:03 AM
#29
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I know of two UAL pilots that answered the "ever" question differently and with wildly different results. Both had clean 10 year records on paper.
One was convicted of public indecency (i.e. streaking) during a college stunt and honestly answered "yes" even though his conviction had automatically been expunged because of his otherwise clean record. He had a laugh with the interviewers during the interview when questioned and is currently employed.
The other thought his record was clean and answered "no" and was subsequently fired during indoc when UAL HR determined that he lied on his application after a deep background check showed otherwise. Yes, there are companies that supply background checks to Fortune 500 companies that record public criminal convictions in "real time" and thus do not purge their records.
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