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Old 10-24-2012 | 07:52 AM
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Krudawg,

I'll bingo that!

Retro is retro. Nothing else. No "signing bonus" or other BS.
The leaked info so far is wholly inadequate. The pay is marginal, the scope unacceptable, the retro a joke.

Send it back.
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Old 10-24-2012 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by krudawg
After reading all the various ways of dividing the retro or Signing Bonus, as the company prefers to call it, I have drawn the following conclusions:
Each individual pilot is trying to carve out a bigger slice than they may be entitled to because of a desire to "get mine and screw anyone else". I get that-greed is a motivator that separates Capitalists from Communists. I don't want any less "than my fair share" but I am not willing to argue endlessly about what is "fair" - nobody will convince someone else to take less. We are all providing fodder to the UA management team. So let's take a page out of Rick Dubinsky's book and "choke the goose to lay more golden eggs" Gentlemen; we must throw this AIP back at the company and tell them NO! I want UAL to choke on the retro pay so next time they will think twice about dragging on negotiations and wearing down the pilot group.
Good call.

It also gives us the opportunity to shelve than utterly stupid pay banding.
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Old 10-24-2012 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by krudawg
I get that-greed is a motivator that separates Capitalists from Communists.
Maybe greed is just as powerful in Communism, it's just focused on the very few at the top who are monumentally greedy in convincing (or forcing) everyone else to be selfless for just those few.
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Old 10-24-2012 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SOTeric
Good call.

It also gives us the opportunity to shelve than utterly stupid pay banding.
Exactly............banding is ridiculous. We need to got back to decision 83.
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Old 10-24-2012 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Shrek
Exactly............banding is ridiculous. We need to got back to decision 83.
All in due time my friend. Right after the sli.
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Old 10-24-2012 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by APC225
Maybe greed is just as powerful in Communism, it's just focused on the very few at the top who are monumentally greedy in convincing (or forcing) everyone else to be selfless for just those few.
I would not argue that point with you.
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Old 10-24-2012 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by krudawg
I want UAL to choke on the retro pay so next time they will think twice about dragging on negotiations and wearing down the pilot group.
The simple reason retro pay exists in the first place, why are we trying to reinvent the wheel?
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Old 10-24-2012 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
The simple reason retro pay exists in the first place, why are we trying to reinvent the wheel?
To benefit one group at the expense of another.
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Old 10-24-2012 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
To benefit one group at the expense of another.
AMEN. Jay Pos personified.
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Old 10-24-2012 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
To benefit one group at the expense of another.
Karl Marx could not have said it better
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