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Old 10-23-2012 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Zonker
Voting NO based on scope alone.

I don't know why anyone would vote to outsource their job after what has happened in the industry since Delta let the first RJ on their property.
I was told sUAL current scope 70 seats.
Outside the box stuff ( The 90 seaters to be flown by United pilots as a wet lease deal to express partners)
Duty rigs sUAL 1 in 4 transitioning to 1 in 3.5 next year.
Mandatory Jr manning with restrictions: trip advertised in open time with an increasing premium pay attached to it, the closer to departure time, the higher the premium. The thinking here is that open time that pays a higher premium will never make to the assignment window nor the reserves. ( can not confirm but was told that both DAL and SOUTHWEST have this).
Anyways all this is unconfirmed but I guess the closer we get to a TA release date, the more the leaks. Get ready for the flood gates to open.

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Old 10-23-2012 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by syd111
Geez your kidding right?
About folks crying foul? Not at all. They could give 100% retro, a signing bonus, and an equity stake and you'd have some pilots point at each other saying he got more pie than me.
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Old 10-23-2012 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by APC225
About folks crying foul? Not at all. They could give 100% retro, a signing bonus, and an equity stake and you'd have some pilots point at each other saying he got more pie than me.
We are talking about retro here, difference in pay, hours worked, I am sure you get the idea, not that tough, it won't and should not be even. Pilots will moan no matter what but this is simple.

No talk about the profit sharing part some of us are still waiting on, welllllll
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Old 10-23-2012 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
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Pay raise x hours worked since amendable date. Evidently the money/stock on the table is not full retro. Therefore, apply that percentage to the full amount. If I was owed $160k and the company is offering 80%, then I get $128. It's really that simple. Coppice?

Trust me, my feathers aren't ruffled. I can't change the course of events. I only have one vote.
Easily explained. That's ALL I was asking for pageS ago.

Having heard "otherways" of completing the distribution (some so far fetched they resided in Whiskey-Tango-Fox land), I was curious what area-code your "simple" variance resided. Pleased to hear it's not in "tin-hat-ville".

You have a vote, I have a vote.....That makes 2 of 10K+ soon to be cast by the eligible.

Sounds like we "Capish".
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Old 10-23-2012 | 10:29 AM
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Yes, we do "Caprice."
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Old 10-23-2012 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
Yes, we do "Caprice."
As long as it's not a Chevrolet.
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Old 10-23-2012 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by syd111
We are talking about retro here, difference in pay, hours worked, I am sure you get the idea, not that tough, it won't and should not be even. Pilots will moan no matter what but this is simple.

No talk about the profit sharing part some of us are still waiting on, welllllll
I still think it should be one rate for ALL CA's and one for ALL FO's. Time *****s shouldn't be rewarded, just as pilots on reserve who HAVE to work 18 days a month and be abused shouldn't be screwed. If everyone gets the same amount, then NO ONE will be able to say the other guy got "more". JMHO of course..................... Besides, it's going to be a fricking nightmare if they start dissecting everyone's pay registers. Would take YEARS to figure out everyones "RETRO".............
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Old 10-23-2012 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot
I still think it should be one rate for ALL CA's and one for ALL FO's. Time *****s shouldn't be rewarded, just as pilots on reserve who HAVE to work 18 days a month and be abused shouldn't be screwed. If everyone gets the same amount, then NO ONE will be able to say the other guy got "more". JMHO of course..................... Besides, it's going to be a fricking nightmare if they start dissecting everyone's pay registers. Would take YEARS to figure out everyones "RETRO".............
Agree to disagree and I am only 1 vote but retro is where I will start looking first, might save me a lot of time and reading.
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Old 10-23-2012 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by syd111
Agree to disagree and I am only 1 vote but retro is where I will start looking first, might save me a lot of time and reading.
Hense the separate vote rumors for the TA and the Retro. It's amazing what the JJ twins locked up in a room with Jeff's helpers can come up with!
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Old 10-23-2012 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LeeMat
Hense the separate vote rumors for the TA and the Retro. It's amazing what the JJ twins locked up in a room with Jeff's helpers can come up with!
Yes sickening isn't it, our leaders.
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