Whatever...When you say this is the "culture" of CAL pilots you are implying that it is the mindset of most of the pilots, otherwise it would not be a culture, would it? A few pilots does not make a culture.

So don't come on here saying you are just "wondering" if it is true of most CAL pilots and then turn around and paint all CAL pilots a certain way if you don't even know the truth yourself besides some obscure examples. Does the title of your thread have a question mark on it? No, you are indeed assuming all CAL pilots behave in a certain manner using the little backhand slap of "culture".

And so far I haven't seen anything from the UAL culture that has impressed me or others too much.

 

And we can go back and forth about good stories and bad stories. I think this one will just about top any of the "we don't rock the boat" BS you can continue to spew here.


ORD-SFO and the FA's in the back call to cockpit and say the galley lighting will not work. CA writes up said galley lighting and call MX to investigate and fix. MX arrives and proceeds to reference the MEL that as long as it's daylight, they should be able to see and the flight can continue. FA's say they can't see and CA tells MX to fix, he's not taking the aircraft. TOMC gets involved as well as FODM and both are basically pushing the CA to take the MEL and go.

The reason for the big push, Smiseck is in the back on the way to SFO. CA wants to know if there is a different standard of safety based on who is on the airplane. CA talks with CPO and get his back covered and MX begins fix but lo and behold, the parts are not available. After 2 1/2 hours, MX gets parts and begins to finish work. CA notices both aft galley door light are now lit and calls to the back galley to ask what's going on as catering has already serviced the aircraft. FA hands phone to MX who tells CA they had to open the door to get light in the aft galley as they could not see what they were doing. Yes, they actually said that. CA points this obvious fact out and the only reply he can get is we are working and they are just cooking. Flight arrives at SFO almost 3 hours late.


I see you and most other UAL pilots so worried about protecting the contract while the CAL pilots were interested in getting the contract right in the first place instead of trying to fix it after the fact, which is what we seem to be doing quite often lately.

 

Nope, they're too busy defending the various grievances filed by UALALPA. Why would they help you?

(my personal favorite: all flying done by CAL pilots is in violation of the UAL contract stating all the UAL (post SOC) flying must be done by pilots on the UAL seniority list. There's a GMAFB if I've ever seen one.)

 

No matter what anyone says on this board, everyone knows the differences between the two pilot groups. No need to spend energy defending each other's self-importance on this board.

Lets just be one pilot group now and move on.

Please.

 

Thank you...what a ridiculous thread.

 

Indeed......

 

I just realized why I stopped reading and posting on APC. It's like watching 8th graders dissing each other on Facebook.

 

Acquiescence is a cancer to a contract.
Nothing will undermine or weaken one more completely. (scabs excepted)
Regardless, of course of its origin.
Just as the company has zero tolerance for this or that, if you guys had a "Zero tolerance for acquiescence" campaign, soon the differences between you would begin to dull.
You could even have one of those cute circles with the diagonal line through it.

 

We had plenty of that on FB during the contract time. There's one notorious ex DEN now IAH A320 FO that will be given full silent treatment the day he shows up in my cockpit.

Look Sunvox there are PLENTY of us at CAL who have been fighting the good fight for years. I've flown with plenty of 'Captains' that have appropiately flipped the bird to flight ops pressure. It has been hard to battle People Express Management, but many of us make the same efforts that you salute on the UAL side. That makes you come across as a pompous you know what when you lecture us about how things are based on cherry picked stories and 'inside' info on how grievences are proceeding.

Quite frankly given the history neither pilot group has a valid reason to hold its head high based on 'culture'.

 

That would probably be me. Sorry that having a windscreen I can see out of bothers them............................