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04-27-2013 | 08:59 PM
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Overstaffed compared to CAL...easily rebutted w exhibits of various shots of the CAL reserve pool showing they're below min reserve all the time. Everyone seems overstaffed if your company believes in staffing below min requirements and them relying on a special batch of SM/VJM players.
04-27-2013 | 09:24 PM
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747/777/767 = THREE or FOUR pilots
737 = TWO pilots
See how easy the math is??? (Hint: there will be a great breakdown of this starting May 11th.)
Besides, I would consider recent sUAL pilot recalls an additional sure sign of overstaffing considering sUAL's historic penchant for wasting money on overstaffing.
04-28-2013 | 03:39 AM
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Again, conjecture ... at MAD, fleet totals were within 10 airframes, and block hours flown were about the same, with CAL flying a higher percentage of international block hours. You did have more pilots, yes. Why? CAL MC thought that was due to overstaffing and less overall productivity.
I see a common theme amongst so many L-UAL folks .... UAL was bigger, better, and more bad ass than L-CAL ... all perception.
I see a common theme amongst so many L-UAL folks .... UAL was bigger, better, and more bad ass than L-CAL ... all perception.
04-28-2013 | 04:31 AM
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Not accurate. Airlines are staffed based on the type of flying they perform, not type of aircraft. A 777 that flies domestic routes will staff the same as an a320. A 757 that flies international flights with an iro will staff more pilots than a domestic 777.
04-28-2013 | 04:44 AM
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Thank you for making the LUAL point. It is all about the type flying. LUAL was a "blue water" airline. Long haul over large streches of ocean to distant international locations. LCAL was primarily a "brown water" airline. Lots of short leg flying over small (er) expanses of ocean. Now before you go ape...yes LCAL did some true long haul. Just not to the level of LUAL. Thus the difference in staffing model. Couple that with LCAL's abysmal work rules and its easy math.
04-28-2013 | 04:46 AM
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I agree, it still stinks that we at CAL have to now call ourselves United. I wish we would have just let UAL go out of business and bought there excess fat that we would want and let the rest be sent elsewhere.
The best part is that if I get merged in with 1995 UAL people it will be like being hired at UAL when I was a senior in high school!! I could not be senior to myself if I tried!!
In the meantime I will just fly around left seat in the 737 and enjoy it.
The best part is that if I get merged in with 1995 UAL people it will be like being hired at UAL when I was a senior in high school!! I could not be senior to myself if I tried!!
In the meantime I will just fly around left seat in the 737 and enjoy it.
04-28-2013 | 04:59 AM
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Thank you for making the LUAL point. It is all about the type flying. LUAL was a "blue water" airline. Long haul over large streches of ocean to distant international locations. LCAL was primarily a "brown water" airline. Lots of short leg flying over small (er) expanses of ocean. Now before you go ape...yes LCAL did some true long haul. Just not to the level of LUAL. Thus the difference in staffing model. Couple that with LCAL's abysmal work rules and its easy math.
04-28-2013 | 05:06 AM
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Staffing is more than a function of where a plane flies. Some metrics are: type of A/C, cost of pilots (contract & PBS), block hours, short and long-term business forecast and outside cost drivers like file and etc...
Btw...Howard is changing people in flight ops and you will see this announcement soon. Current staffing manager is on his way out.
Btw...Howard is changing people in flight ops and you will see this announcement soon. Current staffing manager is on his way out.
04-28-2013 | 05:06 AM
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Thank you for making the LUAL point. It is all about the type flying. LUAL was a "blue water" airline. Long haul over large streches of ocean to distant international locations. LCAL was primarily a "brown water" airline. Lots of short leg flying over small (er) expanses of ocean. Now before you go ape...yes LCAL did some true long haul. Just not to the level of LUAL. Thus the difference in staffing model.
Additionally, and based on the seniority lists at both airlines, widebody FO jobs must be desirable based on the seniority range of the FOs bidding it.
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