Today's LUAL SLI Presentation?
05-27-2013 | 05:43 AM
#301
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WOW! That is a strong statement! Both MECs will do their best to represent their constituents. If they did anything less, it would be a disservice and misrepresentation of their duties. It's all just business, nothing personal. Getting emotional will not help, it is out of our hands. Turn your fight to management, they are the real problem here!
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05-27-2013 | 05:54 AM
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The UALPA SLI proposal did not STAPLE 1/3 of the CAL list to the bottom. Instead, it actually used the tenents of Merger Policy. It should come as no surprise to Hoss, or any UAL pilot that CALPA's proposal was so out of wack. I mean, look at how the negotiations went. Profit sharing. Retro. It's just that scab-like mentality. But we shoved that contract down your throats with our numbers. Hopefully, we will hit a homerun with the SLI as well, since your proposal was so foul.
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Your proposal used the tenants to your advantage, and weighted them to your advantage. It did not take into effect any other factors. It put furloughs in front of Captains. But it's out of our hands, a board of 3 will decide, but based on your expectations and angst, someone should be watching you when the SLI is published!
05-27-2013 | 05:59 AM
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Negative,
When your MEC is trying to staple me they have crossed the line and have placed themselves squarely into enemy territory. 16 years seniority and I get STAPLED below the bottom CAL guy.
Them's fighting words...
There is representing your guys and then there is unadulterated in your face greed. This falls into the category of unadulterated.
When your MEC is trying to staple me they have crossed the line and have placed themselves squarely into enemy territory. 16 years seniority and I get STAPLED below the bottom CAL guy.
Them's fighting words...
There is representing your guys and then there is unadulterated in your face greed. This falls into the category of unadulterated.
05-27-2013 | 06:10 AM
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Olecal, you try to come off as Cool Hand Luke, but your assumptions and statements are false. The UAL proposal did not put furloughees ahead of Captains. Not one. And Hoss is in the low 80s percentile, not 90s, as he has stated previously. Of course, with the CAL proposal he is 98%. Don't worry about me when the list is published. I will be dancing in the streets. Just try to remember when the list is published that 2010 is where the snapshot is. That will help take the sting out of the result.
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05-27-2013 | 06:30 AM
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WOW! That is a strong statement! Both MECs will do their best to represent their constituents. If they did anything less, it would be a disservice and misrepresentation of their duties. It's all just business, nothing personal. Getting emotional will not help, it is out of our hands. Turn your fight to management, they are the real problem here!
I've seen this is several cal statements. When your actions affect the lively hood of another, you are attacking that persons and their family. Don't blow it off with that cheap movie quote "It's all just business, nothing personal."
Guess this is from the early 80's mentors that Ben Salley says he was trying to protect. SAD!!!!!!!!!
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05-27-2013 | 06:38 AM
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Your longevity might be 16 years, but your seniority is probably 90% or such. I'm not sure if I'd set my expectations that high. Anything can happen! Sit back, relax, and let your merger committee put up their fight. They will do their best, and a board of 3 will decide. We will have no choice. Life is too important to sweat this out everyday. Go and enjoy your family! Have a great holiday!
05-27-2013 | 06:42 AM
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Olecal, you try to come off as Cool Hand Luke, but your assumptions and statements are false. The UAL proposal did not put furloughees ahead of Captains. Not one. And Hoss is in the low 80s percentile, not 90s, as he has stated previously. Of course, with the CAL proposal he is 98%. Don't worry about me when the list is published. I will be dancing in the streets. Just try to remember when the list is published that 2010 is where the snapshot is. That will help take the sting out of the result.
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As far as Airhoss's relative seniority, I was guessing! I would not expect much more than +/-5% into the final list. At the end of the day, I believe the no windfall ideal will prevail. I'm OK with that, are you?
05-27-2013 | 06:47 AM
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It put furloughees above very senior FO's and yes current Captains, and I haven't looked at it carefully enough to support either of our statements for precision. I could care less, these are posturing docs. The arbitraitors will come up with their own list. I doubt you will be dancing, as neither will I, but I will be a professional, and march on. Will you?
As far as Airhoss's relative seniority, I was guessing! I would not expect much more than +/-5% into the final list. At the end of the day, I believe the no windfall ideal will prevail. I'm OK with that, are you?
As far as Airhoss's relative seniority, I was guessing! I would not expect much more than +/-5% into the final list. At the end of the day, I believe the no windfall ideal will prevail. I'm OK with that, are you?
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05-27-2013 | 06:53 AM
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Time to start the marinade, enjoy the holiday, and honor those that gave the ultimate sacrifice! It's pale in comparison to the SLI.
05-27-2013 | 07:13 AM
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No, the UAL proposal took me down 13% relative seniority. It included all UAL furloughs as if they were on property and active in 2010. That is a fact that I am sure of!
Time to start the marinade, enjoy the holiday, and honor those that gave the ultimate sacrifice! It's pale in comparison to the SLI.
Time to start the marinade, enjoy the holiday, and honor those that gave the ultimate sacrifice! It's pale in comparison to the SLI.
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