1)I was never furloughed, so I guess I just got screwed, although not stapled behind all your furloughees like the CAL proposal.

2)mainline is mainline and express is express.

3)those 1400 positions were not absorbed by feeders - not with 198 daily 737 departures out of DEN, LAX, and ORD per day. We know where those jobs went.

4)who cares? the Arbs have spoken and the deal is done. I don't care to hear your whine.....just kindly GET IN LINE.

Longevity Sled....the Instant Captain WINDFALL man. aka JUMBO

PS. I got YO staple right here

 

Right, if you were britt or bar harbor than I see your point. However, lots of those guys were actually interviewed and hired by mainline CAL in 1989/90 and merely staffed at coex because they had an ATP and they needed captains at the feeder. They were all told they would be at coex for a short time. guys hired the same day without an ATP went as engineers to CAL. Essentially, the guys who went to the feeder got penalized for having more time, experience, and credentials.

I was referring to the agreement that IACP negotiated. I think there was two formal negotiated flow through agreements that brought guys over on a 3 to 1 ratio following an interview and sim check at mainline CAL. It was actually easier to get to CAL in the late 90's off the street than it was if you were a pilot at COEX.

List has big problems. Not sure how you go from 43% to 66%. Fair and equitable my ...foot.

 

No, the pilot positions were eliminated at UAL. UAL parked the 737's.

I never proposed stapling, but if the pilot position doesn't exist then it doesn't exist. Not sure how a furloughed pilot who is not active and unemployed has a right to anything. The career expectations of a furloughed pilot in the history of aviation aren't very high.

 

It sounds like you are a Date of Birth advocate.

 

Did you read the current ALPA Merger policy?

 

They did have longevity. We've been trying to explain to the CAL side for YEARS that longevity matters. You still don't see it??

Career expectations are just 1/3 of the policy.

Thanks to Brucia for helping the UAL furloughees. If he hadn't helped change the merger policy, it would have really hurt the UAL guys.

 

I agree. Very selfless of him to help us that way.

 

Hold on.... Are you saying that you were 43% in 2010? Or 2013? (I know the answer). You were ALWAYS setting yourself up for a massive disappointment if you really thought that the arbs were going to use the 2013 list. There has been, shouldn't be, and hopefully never WILL be precedent for that. I'm guessing you are within 2% of where you were in 2010. Close? I'm EXACTLY straight relative seniority.

 

Some CAL pilots do not seem to want to READ the current Merger Policy.

Katz is not such a hero now is he?

"May the Swartz be with you" ---my all time favorite!

 

I'm within 2%, but paired with pilots hired two years after me.

Of course you can remove 120 pilots from your current number because that's how many have retired since April 2013 and those pilots are shown on the list.