Connect and get the inside scoop on Airline Companies

Welcome to Airline Pilot Forums - Connect and get the inside scoop on Airline Companies

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ. Join our community today and start interacting with existing members. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free.


User Tag List

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-28-2013, 11:54 AM   #101  
Peace Love Understanding
 
LAX Pilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: Airbus
Posts: 1,040
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyflyin View Post
The three stooges right on cue. Well done.
You know what's funny? That we called SLI almost to the seniority number and none of the stupid LCAL arguments were given any weight. Like the "considered" means they can give it zero weight, etc.

We all know who the stooges are. Thank God most of them were placed junior to me in the SLI.
LAX Pilot is offline  
Old 09-28-2013, 11:57 AM   #102  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Skyflyin's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 177
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LAX Pilot View Post
You know what's funny? That we called SLI almost to the seniority number and none of the stupid LCAL arguments were given any weight. Like the "considered" means they can give it zero weight, etc.

We all know who the stooges are. Thank God most of them were placed junior to me in the SLI.
Whub whub whub whub SMACK!
Skyflyin is offline  
Old 09-28-2013, 05:38 PM   #103  
Gets Weekends Off
 
El Gwopo's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 194
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LAX Pilot View Post
You know what's funny? That we called SLI almost to the seniority number and none of the stupid LCAL arguments were given any weight. Like the "considered" means they can give it zero weight, etc.

We all know who the stooges are. Thank God most of them were placed junior to me in the SLI.
Just flew with one of those "stooges" today. 2005 hire...37 years old...left seat. He's not complaining. In fact, I've flown with a lot of them.
El Gwopo is offline  
Old 09-28-2013, 06:44 PM   #104  
SLI best wishes!
 
LeeMat's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: B767 Capt
Posts: 399
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gwopo View Post
Just flew with one of those "stooges" today. 2005 hire...37 years old...left seat. He's not complaining. In fact, I've flown with a lot of them.
I have known a few 27 year old B737 cap at United in the mid '90s. I was 29 when I upgraded. Does not mean squat in this business. One cycle your are on top and the next you are going backwards...The only time you can claim a successful career is on your retirement date. Soon you will fly with twice furlough pilots who can explaine the ups and down of this industry better than I can. Stay humble my friend.

Last edited by LeeMat; 09-28-2013 at 06:55 PM.
LeeMat is offline  
Old 09-28-2013, 06:49 PM   #105  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Slats Extend's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Posts: 393
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gwopo View Post
Just flew with one of those "stooges" today. 2005 hire...37 years old...left seat. He's not complaining. In fact, I've flown with a lot of them.

Kills me when I see them strutting around... I was a 28 year old 747 f/O then a 31 year old 727 Captain.

So, who cares?
Slats Extend is offline  
Old 09-30-2013, 08:46 AM   #106  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Birddog's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 128
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyflyin View Post
That was too long birddog, and I'm tired of you guys crapping all over the CAL guys just for having a discussion so I'm not going to respond.

For a lot of the CAL guys the ISL has taken the last 3 or 4 years of advancement away from them and will lead to displacements, more training and pay cuts. I know you guys think that we should never have advanced in the first place, but let me ask you this. If you think we should have shared the advancements over the last 3 years, why do you think it's OK to take ALL the advancements over the last 3 or 4 years yourselves?

You think I'm full of BS I'm sure, so here is a quote from our merger committee so you know I'm not the only one thinking this:

"CAL pilots have returned to their seniority percentage from three years ago and the UAL pilots have gained virtually all of the block hour growth and fleet growth from the merger over the past three years."

Like I said, were not going to convince each other of anything so lets give it a rest.

Cue the "The arbs agreed with us, so we're right, nah nah nee nah nah"
Sorry for the lengthy reply. Just trying to cover every base. Also, sorry if you felt like I was "crapping" on you. I don't look at this as a CAL vs UAL issue. Granting these displacement rights affects ALL pilots. It appears a pilot in the high 7000's in seniority numbers received a 767 Captain award on the 14-02D bid, a lateral. That position is now unavailable to ALL pilots for some time who want adjust to a post-ISL landscape with a Vacancy bid.

I don't want to take ALL the advancements for the last 3 years. I want the TPA, UPA, SFO MOU, and SLI A&O followed as they were written and intended. Remember, the SLI is from a October 2010 outlook. The 14-02 & 14-02A Bids wouldn't have existed then, the 14-02D bids shouldn't be created now.

What the S-CAL Merger Committee is describing above is a Relative Seniority ISL award using an October 2010 snapshot. I'm not going to argue that's it's fair, but it is reasonable. It's also what every S-CAL 737 FO was preaching to me when I was jumpseating to work back in 2010 and 2011.

Yes, we can rest because per the agreements the EKN panel still has jurisdiction over the issue of granting displacements.

Dogg
Birddog is offline  
Old 09-30-2013, 11:08 AM   #107  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Birddog's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 128
Default

When I say "lateral" above, the Bid this pilot possessed on Bid 14-02A was 767 CAP IAH. They never received a TAB. Now they are showing 767 CAP EWR. I assume the new 767 CAP bid to EWR is an award from Bid 14-02D. You have to sift the combined domicile rosters on CCS to find these awards since they aren't published in one spot. Like the former S-CAL pilots now sporting 76T bids.

Dogg
Birddog is offline  
Old 09-30-2013, 11:16 AM   #108  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Skyflyin's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 177
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Birddog View Post
Sorry for the lengthy reply. Just trying to cover every base. Also, sorry if you felt like I was "crapping" on you. I don't look at this as a CAL vs UAL issue. Granting these displacement rights affects ALL pilots. It appears a pilot in the high 7000's in seniority numbers received a 767 Captain award on the 14-02D bid, a lateral. That position is now unavailable to ALL pilots for some time who want adjust to a post-ISL landscape with a Vacancy bid.

I don't want to take ALL the advancements for the last 3 years. I want the TPA, UPA, SFO MOU, and SLI A&O followed as they were written and intended. Remember, the SLI is from a October 2010 outlook. The 14-02 & 14-02A Bids wouldn't have existed then, the 14-02D bids shouldn't be created now.

What the S-CAL Merger Committee is describing above is a Relative Seniority ISL award using an October 2010 snapshot. I'm not going to argue that's it's fair, but it is reasonable. It's also what every S-CAL 737 FO was preaching to me when I was jumpseating to work back in 2010 and 2011.

Yes, we can rest because per the agreements the EKN panel still has jurisdiction over the issue of granting displacements.

Dogg
I understand where you are coming from Birddog and I agree with most of what you said above. The only difference I see is that the 14-02D bid awards are not "blockers" if the company displaces large amounts of pilots, which looking at the 14-02V bids it looks like they might. I would have a lot less angst about it if the company agreed not to displace anyone. I don't see that happening, but I can hope.

I also don't think you were one of the ones "crapping" on me. We were having a reasonable discussion when others have to make it a us vs. them slugfest. That's the nature of the anonymous forum though and it goes with the territory. I can take it, but I will dish it out as well.

Anyway, thanks for the reasonable replies. See you on the line.
Skyflyin is offline  
Old 09-30-2013, 11:31 AM   #109  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Free Flyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B777 FO/IRO
Posts: 263
Default

So where do you find the 14-02D awards? I'm not one of them, but I'd just like to see where people went.
Free Flyer is offline  
Old 09-30-2013, 12:44 PM   #110  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Birddog's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 128
Default

Thanks Skyflyin, After reading that post a couple of my friends called me "long/winded" too:-)

Free Flyer, It's not worth the effort to find where the 14-02D awardees went. You find them on the domicile rosters under Future. Then you have see if their bid was on 14-02 or 14-02A. Then you have to cross reference all the TAB's from April forward to see if they were awarded a training date. If they have an award on the roster and didn't have a TAB, they're 14-02D. Too much work. I just did it to find if one person was awarded anything. They were so 14-02D bids have bid awarded to some. No idea how many.

Dogg
Birddog is offline  
 
 
 

 
Post Reply
 



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Vacancy Bid Results pilotgolfer United 45 02-10-2013 11:08 PM
Eagle displacement bid ERJ135 Regional 43 07-21-2008 07:49 PM
Dumb Vacation Question HerkDriver Cargo 5 09-18-2007 02:56 PM
FedEx Passover Pay Coffee Bitch Cargo 115 05-23-2007 09:02 AM
FedEx Vacancy Bid Open Diesel 10 Cargo 1 08-12-2005 12:59 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:32 PM.