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Old 09-24-2013, 02:04 PM   #21  
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I already got awarded my DEN 787 captain bid... I guess the fence is down for me?
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I already got awarded my DEN 787 captain bid... I guess the fence is down for me?
Good for you! Better run and get that training assignment with all the royal guaranteed protections.
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Not a fence. Just lack of vacancies. They are supposedly hashing out this latest wrinkle in our lovely merger at WHQ. It just never stops. I'm trying to find some humor in it.

It ain't over until the fat United pilot is in his 737 captain seat.

You want to use your seniority? No Vac-eee, No Bid-eee..

Interesting to see what gets decided. The correct path or the grievance path.
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Old 09-24-2013, 02:13 PM   #24  
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Bumps are based off of TABs not activated pilots. So if a TAB has been assigned under the SFO MOU they can bump the crap out of SFO.

I don't know how many of the 400 are left untrained to bump. But you're getting setup for an expensive lesson.

I find it funny how S-UAL pilots always explain it away when they are possibly about to be hosed. Wouldn't you rather see the TPA, UPA, SFO MOU, and ISL enforced?
I guess I don't know how bumps work for legacy CAL, but for legacy UA, you can only bump to a position that your seniority can hold. Since nobody had started or completed training for a 737 SFO assignment at the time the ISL was implemented (even if they had a TAB assignment) there aren't any pilots that are currently holding a SFO 737 assignment! On the UA side that would mean that anybody who was being bumped (for whatever reason) would not be able to bump to SFO 737. I could definitely see that the pilots that got the SFO 737 assignments would be eligible for a bump, I just don't see how they could then bump to SFO 737, since there are no pilots junior to them assigned there(since there are none at all assigned to a SFO 737 base) . Obviously I am not an expert, but I don't see how anybody could get a bump to an assignment that doesn't exist!

So, I would expect there will be a lot of bumps as you are speculating, but I still don't see how that is going to limit the number of SFO 737 bids that come out.
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Not a fence. Just lack of vacancies. They are supposedly hashing out this latest wrinkle in our lovely merger at WHQ. It just never stops. I'm trying to find some humor in it.

It ain't over until the fat United pilot is in his 737 captain seat.

You want to use your seniority? No Vac-eee, No Bid-eee..

Interesting to see what gets decided. The correct path or the grievance path.
I guess all those vacancies just happened to end with 14-02. Now with retirements in full swing the ladder for some mysterious reason has been raised. Fat UAL pilot? That, made me laugh BBQ boy.
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They're discussing this latest wrinkle in our lovely merger at WHQ. Vacancies won't end, they'll just slow way down if this plan wins. But time is money.

In a CCS memo the S-CAL pilots were told they could bump according to the TABs. Any CAL pilots want to chime in?

Hopefully the company will take the correct path not the grievous path.
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Hopefully the company will take the correct path not the grievous path.
That is the quote of the year on this forum. Drinks to you!
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Seniority is forever, sure. But it doesn't do you a damn bit of good when the bumps fill the place up for a year. Then the bumpee's are protected by the company shrinking the 767's through attrition and going fat on manning reducing vacancies. The S-UAL pilots may be in for a shock. We'll see soon. Hope I'm wrong.
First of all, a year ain't sheet. I could stand on my head that long. Secondly, let's not forget that there are 13- 757s leaving next qtr according to the latest Investor Update on United.com. "Shrinking through attrition" sure looks pretty in print, but in reality, there will be bumps. I got time.

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Well something is holding it up. A day late now. If I was a betting type my money would be on a CAL vs UAL rift over the nature of the bid. Could it be the bid was a whopper one or both of the sides couldn't swallow?
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They're discussing this latest wrinkle in our lovely merger at WHQ. Vacancies won't end, they'll just slow way down if this plan wins. But time is money.

In a CCS memo the S-CAL pilots were told they could bump according to the TABs. Any CAL pilots want to chime in?

Hopefully the company will take the correct path not the grievous path.
I think there will be vacancies, just on attrition alone, but whether the company decides to either fly the 757 fat with crews or displace them is the question. Bumping causes A LOT of training events and the training department is already full. Hopefully there will be movement on both sides with no bumping.
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