United North at it again...
05-23-2014 | 02:02 PM
#81
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We are only hiring due to retirements, UAL work rules applied to Fred's PE operation and most importantly FAR 117. Growth, NOPE. What you call restrictive in the scope clause will only be seen in the parking of 50 seaters which management has no problem doing as long as the 76 seaters grow, which sure as hades they are. Scope as of right now is not hurting, but the stage has been set for more future small narrowbody outsourcing just as it was by Contract 2000. And I have zero doubt you will vote YES once again to save your own bacon.
Btw if the were hiring as fast as you believe, we would have classes full of New Hires and not half recalls.
Btw if the were hiring as fast as you believe, we would have classes full of New Hires and not half recalls.
05-23-2014 | 02:41 PM
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If they have not completed training within 92 days of the effective date, then they can execute a bump to any position their seniority can hold, regardless if there is an open bid for it.
That's been in the contract for at least 20 years. It forces the company to train pilots into new vacancies in a timely manner.
That's been in the contract for at least 20 years. It forces the company to train pilots into new vacancies in a timely manner.
05-23-2014 | 02:47 PM
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There are a couple of things in play here.
Training scheduling moving to ORD has been a nightmare for anybody in training for the last 4-5 months. Yes there have been some that have taken more than the 90 days and some have taken their contractual right. Also there have been some who have/are trying to game the system. One even called in fatigue for a sim two times. These two times appear to be very strategic when you look at the person's schedule. However, there are "eyes on" now trying to monitor this and avoid this from happening.
There may be instructors "helping a bro out," maybe. But it could be the same saying the south is doing it too. All I do know is if someone gets caught doing it then it will be ugly for some, for sure. Deliberate and intentional abuse will end in job loss, just ask the MD of training.
Training scheduling moving to ORD has been a nightmare for anybody in training for the last 4-5 months. Yes there have been some that have taken more than the 90 days and some have taken their contractual right. Also there have been some who have/are trying to game the system. One even called in fatigue for a sim two times. These two times appear to be very strategic when you look at the person's schedule. However, there are "eyes on" now trying to monitor this and avoid this from happening.
There may be instructors "helping a bro out," maybe. But it could be the same saying the south is doing it too. All I do know is if someone gets caught doing it then it will be ugly for some, for sure. Deliberate and intentional abuse will end in job loss, just ask the MD of training.
I seriously doubt there are any LCAL guppy instructors helping any LUAL Bro's out.
05-23-2014 | 03:02 PM
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05-23-2014 | 03:03 PM
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For sure! I meant Cal helping Cal while Ual helps Ual. The whole divisiveness thing and yada yada. If this happens once or twice it is bad but not systemic and shouldn't be thought of as a rampant issue. We had a few that try to go for the gold. Some win and some lose. However doing it unethically is the root issue. One guy with the fatigue calls was being very unethical and he was feeling the heat so he back off. He wanted Den CA so badly that it was clouding his judgement.
05-23-2014 | 03:04 PM
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05-23-2014 | 03:09 PM
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Yes, if there wasn't a merger those same pilots would be Captains on Continetal airplanes while those junior to them would be foaming at the mouth to fly the "great wide bodies" of your decrepit old and liquidated airline.
But since there was a merger there was a TPA. It was agreed upon by YOUR MEC, and allowed pilots and airplanes to be shuffled around the system on BOTH sides.
Sled, your side got an obvious windfall from the SLI. Quit your arrogant grandstanding and move on.
But since there was a merger there was a TPA. It was agreed upon by YOUR MEC, and allowed pilots and airplanes to be shuffled around the system on BOTH sides.
Sled, your side got an obvious windfall from the SLI. Quit your arrogant grandstanding and move on.
Explain your concept of a windfall. A 98 hire on UAL sitting next to a CAL guy 05' hire? That windfall? Perhaps having no fence to 52 777s on day one. That windfall?
05-23-2014 | 04:09 PM
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For sure! I meant Cal helping Cal while Ual helps Ual. The whole divisiveness thing and yada yada. If this happens once or twice it is bad but not systemic and shouldn't be thought of as a rampant issue. We had a few that try to go for the gold. Some win and some lose. However doing it unethically is the root issue. One guy with the fatigue calls was being very unethical and he was feeling the heat so he back off. He wanted Den CA so badly that it was clouding his judgement.
You have had some of the best posts on APC, please keep it that way.
If our company is so incredibly screwed up on training scheduling that they are down to the wire by one or two days of contractual limits, how can we say it is the pilot that is being unethical? He is just exercising his seniority and contract. The company does not bend the contract for a few hundred dollars of extra pilot pay even when it cost them over a million (saw this first hand), why should we?
That same pilot likely watched the company shift the DEN flying he once did, back to the 737 he once flew, while not being able to bid on any of those slots. He would likely tell us that was unethical.
None of our pilots should ever fear discipline or termination for a fatigue or sick call…
Once again I have deeply appreciate your contributions here, and would likely have blown right by all of this if it had come from anyone else. Your sir have been a class act, and I hope you stay that way.
This whole ISL issue will work itself out in time, and that DEN pilot just helped the process out by moving the re-balancing process along.
We our in this together.
All the best,
SP
05-23-2014 | 04:24 PM
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2. Never before furloughed LCAL pilot being stapled below EVERY active LUAL pilot as well as hundreds of pilots that were unemployed at time of merger.
If that's not a windfall, I don't know what is. The SLI was clearly a massive windfall for the LUAL pilots. Quit acting stupid and move on.
05-23-2014 | 04:28 PM
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