trip trade rant #3
09-15-2014 | 11:51 PM
#21
Don't say Guppy
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From: Guppy driver
Special deals. Yep. For the second time in 6 months I see a pilot come to my BES, that was not awarded it via displacement or vacancy. This time it was a scab.
There must be some super-secret vacancy awarding process going on as well.
There must be some super-secret vacancy awarding process going on as well.
09-16-2014 | 02:38 AM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
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From: 777
Dave: i hear ya. Im all for cutting out the shenanigans. But im usually trying to reduce my sched....impossible now. I cant drop, i cant slide a trip a single day. The trade i spoke of at the beginning of this thread wont work simply because of the technical nature of when each trip starts. I would be curious to know how it works at DAL or AMR... Our current system is worse than the trade capabilities at my former regional job. All because of people gaming the system!?!? Gotta be a way to stop them without restricting the rest of us.
09-16-2014 | 03:40 AM
#24
Line Holder
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From: UAL retired
Sorry guys, I disagree and my personal experience is totally different in regards to emailing management. Over the years I have gone directly to our managers to complain about everything from meals to irregular treatment from gate agents and most recently the use of Cost Index on the NAT tracks. I like to think that the email campaign I wrote to people both inside and outside the company may have influenced the subtle change in our FOM language removing the need to use Cost Index on the tracks.
I am not suggesting someone rant angrily. I AM suggesting a simple statement of facts. You would like to trade. You followed all the rules. No trades are ever available and you have been told this is due to "No Coverage" but clearly there is coverage.
Stick to the facts and let folks know you have a problem. In any corporation the facts are your friend.
If our managers never hear from line pilots and only hear complaints coming from ALPA reps then how can they gauge what the real issues are on the line. Again, I want to emphasize ALWAYS be respectful and professional and simply stick to the facts but you should never be afraid to speak the truth whether at work or at home. Of course that doesn't mean you should tell your wife she looks fat . . . that's just stupid
09-16-2014 | 08:52 AM
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Sorry guys, I disagree and my personal experience is totally different in regards to emailing management. Over the years I have gone directly to our managers to complain about everything from meals to irregular treatment from gate agents and most recently the use of Cost Index on the NAT tracks. I like to think that the email campaign I wrote to people both inside and outside the company may have influenced the subtle change in our FOM language removing the need to use Cost Index on the tracks.
I am not suggesting someone rant angrily. I AM suggesting a simple statement of facts. You would like to trade. You followed all the rules. No trades are ever available and you have been told this is due to "No Coverage" but clearly there is coverage.
Stick to the facts and let folks know you have a problem. In any corporation the facts are your friend.
If our managers never hear from line pilots and only hear complaints coming from ALPA reps then how can they gauge what the real issues are on the line. Again, I want to emphasize ALWAYS be respectful and professional and simply stick to the facts but you should never be afraid to speak the truth whether at work or at home. Of course that doesn't mean you should tell your wife she looks fat . . . that's just stupid
I am not suggesting someone rant angrily. I AM suggesting a simple statement of facts. You would like to trade. You followed all the rules. No trades are ever available and you have been told this is due to "No Coverage" but clearly there is coverage.
Stick to the facts and let folks know you have a problem. In any corporation the facts are your friend.
If our managers never hear from line pilots and only hear complaints coming from ALPA reps then how can they gauge what the real issues are on the line. Again, I want to emphasize ALWAYS be respectful and professional and simply stick to the facts but you should never be afraid to speak the truth whether at work or at home. Of course that doesn't mean you should tell your wife she looks fat . . . that's just stupid
Good effin' grief.
09-16-2014 | 09:17 AM
#27
Gets Weekends Off
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From: B-777 left
Management only hears complaints from ALPA? What else can I say but grab your quill and put ink to paper Sunvox. In fact, why don't you head up a letter writing campaign. Start a petition and collect those heartfelt letters about how we can't trade and are upset. I'm sure that will come as a complete and utter surprise to management.
Good effin' grief.
Good effin' grief.
09-16-2014 | 09:34 AM
#28
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Sorry guys, I disagree and my personal experience is totally different in regards to emailing management. Over the years I have gone directly to our managers to complain about everything from meals to irregular treatment from gate agents and most recently the use of Cost Index on the NAT tracks. I like to think that the email campaign I wrote to people both inside and outside the company may have influenced the subtle change in our FOM language removing the need to use Cost Index on the tracks.
I am not suggesting someone rant angrily. I AM suggesting a simple statement of facts. You would like to trade. You followed all the rules. No trades are ever available and you have been told this is due to "No Coverage" but clearly there is coverage.
Stick to the facts and let folks know you have a problem. In any corporation the facts are your friend.
If our managers never hear from line pilots and only hear complaints coming from ALPA reps then how can they gauge what the real issues are on the line. Again, I want to emphasize ALWAYS be respectful and professional and simply stick to the facts but you should never be afraid to speak the truth whether at work or at home. Of course that doesn't mean you should tell your wife she looks fat . . . that's just stupid
I am not suggesting someone rant angrily. I AM suggesting a simple statement of facts. You would like to trade. You followed all the rules. No trades are ever available and you have been told this is due to "No Coverage" but clearly there is coverage.
Stick to the facts and let folks know you have a problem. In any corporation the facts are your friend.
If our managers never hear from line pilots and only hear complaints coming from ALPA reps then how can they gauge what the real issues are on the line. Again, I want to emphasize ALWAYS be respectful and professional and simply stick to the facts but you should never be afraid to speak the truth whether at work or at home. Of course that doesn't mean you should tell your wife she looks fat . . . that's just stupid
I've had the same experience as you. Not that all problems were solved but occasionally they were taken care of. I know I went to the IAH road show that all the Managers came to where pilots expressed many issues to Greg Hart and his people. All I can say is that within days many off those issues were addressed! (i.e.- less 4-day trips, etc.) Just saying, if you keep it professional I've NEVER had an issue.
09-16-2014 | 10:36 AM
#29
Gets Weekends Off
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From: 73 CA EWR
Sorry guys, I disagree and my personal experience is totally different in regards to emailing management. Over the years I have gone directly to our managers to complain about everything from meals to irregular treatment from gate agents and most recently the use of Cost Index on the NAT tracks. I like to think that the email campaign I wrote to people both inside and outside the company may have influenced the subtle change in our FOM language removing the need to use Cost Index on the tracks.
I am not suggesting someone rant angrily. I AM suggesting a simple statement of facts. You would like to trade. You followed all the rules. No trades are ever available and you have been told this is due to "No Coverage" but clearly there is coverage.
Stick to the facts and let folks know you have a problem. In any corporation the facts are your friend.
If our managers never hear from line pilots and only hear complaints coming from ALPA reps then how can they gauge what the real issues are on the line. Again, I want to emphasize ALWAYS be respectful and professional and simply stick to the facts but you should never be afraid to speak the truth whether at work or at home. Of course that doesn't mean you should tell your wife she looks fat . . . that's just stupid
I am not suggesting someone rant angrily. I AM suggesting a simple statement of facts. You would like to trade. You followed all the rules. No trades are ever available and you have been told this is due to "No Coverage" but clearly there is coverage.
Stick to the facts and let folks know you have a problem. In any corporation the facts are your friend.
If our managers never hear from line pilots and only hear complaints coming from ALPA reps then how can they gauge what the real issues are on the line. Again, I want to emphasize ALWAYS be respectful and professional and simply stick to the facts but you should never be afraid to speak the truth whether at work or at home. Of course that doesn't mean you should tell your wife she looks fat . . . that's just stupid
Try to get over yourself and get back in line. If you're hell bent to author some "I'll save the day" letter, then send it to your union rep and allow ALPA to do its job.
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