krudawg

The Hogan test was designed by some well meaning mental health professionals. Just remember that folks from the Mental Health Professionals did the screening that allowed Andreas Lubitz, the erstwhile Germanwings pilot to start employment at that company. First there was the MMPI and now the Hogan. It's no better than throwing darts. After 29 years here, I have come across every personality trait of the spectrum - from just plain crazy to idiot savant. I think it's impossible to screen out the extremes of personalities.

showmepilot

I got the welcome email on a Tuesday. Hogan link on Wed. Took the Hogan on Wed and got a call on Fri afternoon to schedule interview (18 days later). When it starts happening, it can come very quickly.

dada9898

Thankfully, Yes!

flyn2001

Took the 2 Hogan tests last night (Sat) and now I've had all of Sunday to stress about any questions I may have porked up....and thus an interview opportunity. Best part about it is that it sounds like an email could be bad but a phone call would be great. I'm deployed in Afghan, so calling isn't going to be an option. So it looks like it might have to be email roulette for me...

btw...I don't know why stars twinkle, I don't resent my parents, I do want to race cars, sky dive & mountain climb, and like to party and watch TV...not read books, poetry or listen to classical music! Anyone up for some large math problems or figuring out how a microscope works?

Cheers and good luck!

badflaps

The fact that that you are deployed is a pretty good indicator that you don't spend a lot of time reading poetry... Thanks for your service.

10Lover

Well Flyin, this will be a good test of the Hogan. My answers weren't the exact opposite of yours, but a good hodgepodge. I can't do math, but do know how to use a microscope and why the stars twinkle, want to mountain climb, but not race cars or scuba dive. Hope we can discuss them face to face at an interview! .

XHooker

That's what happens when you let HR drive pilot hiring instead of Flight Ops.

flyn2001

Thanks...much appreciated!

Harrier Dude

This.

A thousand times, this.

duvie

As pilots, we seem to have a group tendency to be skeptical about the abilities of those around us. ATC, MX, dispatchers, etc. It is probably a survival tactic, but at some point its pretty important to have enough humility to trust those who are experts in their field (CRM model anyone).

Obviously it is incredibly frustrating to think that your career is in the hands of a computer scoring your responses to a couple hundred true/false answers, I simply ask anybody who has been through TK lately to judge the quality of the people in new hire classes. I for one, spent way less time in my room than I thought I would during my 2 weeks of indoc. My classmates, and those ahead and behind us were well-qualified and highly enjoyable individuals.

My point is, that is seems Bill Kennedy and his team seem to be doing an incredible job finding and selecting pilots. I can't tell you how I made it through the cracks, but I was surrounded by an awesome group of people and am impressed with whatever techniques they use to fill a class of 20 every single week.

The pilot archtype is generally pretty type-A. After quite a few years in the business, it seems there is a fine line between detail-oriented, mission-focused individuals and down-right quirky, introverted engineers. They seem far apart, but anybody who has been in the 121 world has to know what I'm talking about. So, if you're assembling a pilot group that is going to be around for longer than any other before it (the next 25-40 years for 80+% of new hires), who contribute arguably a large part of the company culture, I would definitely be interested in more than just a candidate's aviation qualifications. So, as king for a day, if I was presented with the fact that in instituting a personality inventory (the Hogan), that I was going to weed out 80 percent of the narcistic, paranoid, introverted, arrogant type-As out there, but as a penalty, was going to also weed out 20 percent of the good guys too. I'd probably give it the green light.

For that 20 percent of good guys/gals who get weeded out by the Hogan, that really sucks. But to categorically say that the idea of the test in the first place is ridiculous.... might mean you don't really understand what the training department is trying to do.