Originally Posted by Sparta

I'll go out on a limb and say that certain master hubs are safe bets 30 years from now: DAL- ATL; JFK/LGA AMR-DFW, PHL.
UAL-EWR, SFO

Originally Posted by oldmako

Nicely stated. This is exactly why I whine so much about today's reserve system verses the one we had a few years ago when they initially went to the LC/SC system. Guys MUST understand what is going on to prevent this from creeping into the next CBA.

As I stated earlier on another thread;

1. ALL SC's used to be published around 0900 and all were assigned by noon(ish). If you didn't get one, you were either flying or LC on day one of a string. Made commuting easy and predictable. Now they will call in the evening and assign you a SC which begins in 13 hours.

2. Day one guys almost NEVER got a SC. It was designed that way to ease the hassle of commuting to reserve. Day last guys only got them when they were really short, like summer. The rest of the time, your last day of RES was either flying or (usually) LC. NICE.

3. Once assigned a SC, that was it. None of this "now we want you to come sit at the airport on FSB" after you've already burned into 7 hours of a 0200 or 0300 SC. Or, "you've been been released and are now assigned to fly IAD-SFO tonight at 2200". Uh, no.

4. FSB's used to cost them 5 hours. They were not handed out like skittles.

I could go on and on. Reserve didn't use to be such an onerous existence.

To a far greater extent than I have seen in most of my career, this used to be an industry in which the old guys pulled for the young guys and fought to keep medieval crap like I posted out of the CBA. It would be nice if we could leave this place in better shape than what we have today. Sooner or later, the vast majority of pilots will get to experience reserve. Let's fix it.

When a new hire RJ driver comes on here, and tells us how much better reserve duty was at his last company, clearly there's a problem.

By the way, according to an AA buddy, American pilots enjoy 13 days off and a 76 hour guarantee. And that's just for starters. 12 more days off and 36 hours more pay at the end of the year.

Suck it up? Barf it up is more like it.

Originally Posted by Scrappy

"...this used to be an industry in which old guys pulled for the young guys..."

Uh sure.

Originally Posted by oldmako

They guy who got me into this industry, and many of those he flew with were adamant about protecting the work rules and QOL for those pilots junior to them. They understood the wedge and its ramifications. Many of them had kids who wanted to become airline pilots, so they had some skin in the game.

Was it nirvana? Of course not. But the QOL and camaraderie we have today pales in comparison. It probably started around the time of the original B scale which offered NO parity, ever. Screw you guys, we got ours. To the delight of management, this has become the norm. We've become a bunch of independent contractors.

Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald

Uh....the strike in '85 was over the B-scale....you must be new.

Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG

Dave,

And the LCC work rules were? Or the equal pay cut percentage after the WB's saw a greater raise in C2001? Or,........

1985 was a long time ago, and the mentality of don't worry, you'll get yours one day has been around well before, and well after.

Reserve vs Lineholder. WB vs NB. Etc., spoils go to the senior be it relative seniority or overall seniority. Has always been that way.

Section 20 of the contract was one of many issues (LOA 25 comes to mind not that it affected me) where I said no way. I'll use LOA 25 just to say, you are wrong.

Cheers,
Lee

Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald

Uh....the strike in '85 was over the B-scale....you must be new.

Originally Posted by Scrappy

Brand new Dave...started 30 min ago. Thx for your enlightenment. I stand by my statement and most on here agree with me.

Originally Posted by SpecialTracking

I gather we don't fly with the same group. Most of the senior Captains I know take into account how a contract affects everyone, not just their personal bank account.