Contract extension AIP bullet points
11-25-2015, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
Had a high level MEC rep stop by the flight deck a couple days ago. Regarding reserve improvements the company wanted concessions there. They wanted to be able to put reserve on call/assignment earlier than 1000 first day. The MEC said no, no concessions will be considered on this extension, so it was dropped. That's why the reserve improvement wasn't addressed in the final extension.
11-25-2015, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
The purse was open, those shiny coins were sitting there, just glinting in the sun. I'm sure that Jay really pushed back!
11-25-2015, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
Read my above post regarding why reserve was not fixed....
11-25-2015, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 89Pistons
The reason for it not being fixed is NOT the issue here. We don't even have the language yet. The issue is that a small amount of money is apparently being thrown around and pilots that fly under the exact same contract are arguing about what someone shouldn't deem as important. That's a problem. Whether this pass or not isn't even the issue. We are displaying a brand new faction that hasn't existed before. I've been at UAL for 16 years and have never heard some of the BS being thrown around in this thread.
11-25-2015, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 89Pistons
The reason for it not being fixed is the issue here. We don't even have the language yet. The issue is that a small amount of money is apparently being thrown around and pilots that fly under the exact same contract are arguing about what someone shouldn't deem as important. That's a problem. Whether this pass or not isn't even the issue. We are displaying a brand new faction that hasn't existed before. I've been at UAL for 16 years and have never heard some of the BS being thrown around in this thread. Now the company flashes 13% and folks want to lose their minds and canabalize subset's of the seniority list.
And if you've been here 16 years but haven't seen this same type of disagreement then you haven't been paying attention. Did you miss the LOA 25 discussion during the last contract??? There are ALWAYS these types of disagreements during contract talks. Because not everyone is going to get everything they want. Ever. That's the nature of the beast
11-25-2015, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
A little dramatic wouldn't you say? Canabalize subsets of the seniority list?? No reserve concessions and the same pay raise to reserves as everyone else is "canabalization" to you?
And if you've been here 16 years but haven't seen this same type of disagreement then you haven't been paying attention. Did you miss the LOA 25 discussion during the last contract??? There are ALWAYS these types of disagreements during contract talks. Because not everyone is going to get everything they want. Ever. That's the nature of the beast
And if you've been here 16 years but haven't seen this same type of disagreement then you haven't been paying attention. Did you miss the LOA 25 discussion during the last contract??? There are ALWAYS these types of disagreements during contract talks. Because not everyone is going to get everything they want. Ever. That's the nature of the beast
I haven't been paying attention? I've paid more than my fair share of attention. And LOA25 directly affected me as I'm a two time furloughee. I know these "types" of arguments happen but in my time here going through everything we've been through the line holder v. reserve pilot argument is new.
11-25-2015, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Probe
So far, the only complaints on these threads come from a few that commute to reserve.
Any others?
If not, this could be a record breaking ratification.
Any others?
If not, this could be a record breaking ratification.
My complaint isn't about the reserve system. It's for folks looking down on other pilots just for expecting more. How could you look down on another pilot just for wanting and expecting better? Not just for them but for the contract as a whole. There is nothing wrong with that.
11-25-2015, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 89Pistons
I haven't been paying attention? I've paid more than my fair share of attention. And LOA25 directly affected me as I'm a two time furloughee. I know these "types" of arguments happen but in my time here going through everything we've been through the line holder v. reserve pilot argument is new.
Just keep in mind that the pilots on reserve get the exact same contract improvements as the line holders. And suffer exactly 0 consessions. So I don't see the canabalization you are talking about.
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