Contract extension AIP bullet points
11-26-2015, 05:28 PM
#321
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
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lots of good info on that forum actually... Just need to know who to ignore... One guy with the initials Sk seems to have good info without any emotion attached... Anyone else on there with 10000 or so posts (that's 6-7 per day every day) needs to be ignored... As they are over opinionated and/or don't have a life.
11-26-2015, 10:18 PM
#322
Don't say Guppy
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Guppy driver
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I won't quote the post from he)) from the other forum. I don't know JH other than he was on the negotiating committee for a long time. I heard he was a 570, so if that is true,I dislike him already.
All that being said, results are results. After a couple years of no results, JH got a joint contract. He had to compromise. Lots of heat from that, on both sides. But, he got the job done. I never met the man.
Under his leadership, we might have a chance at another plus for everybody. I will wait for the final language, if we ever get to vote.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
All that being said, results are results. After a couple years of no results, JH got a joint contract. He had to compromise. Lots of heat from that, on both sides. But, he got the job done. I never met the man.
Under his leadership, we might have a chance at another plus for everybody. I will wait for the final language, if we ever get to vote.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
11-27-2015, 04:10 AM
#323
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 525
Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
You've been trying very hard to discredit everyone here already. The 13% is all over the news. The 13% was told to me by a high level MEC exec 3 days ago. The me too clause is some complicated algorithm based on whether DAL concedes any profit sharing. You've obviously already made up your mind that it's a bad idea. I absolutely respect that. But these numbers: 13, 3, & 3 are factual. The rest of its wording is not. I get your point. Call me a liar in 3 weeks when you read those numbers yourself.
11-27-2015, 04:54 AM
#324
New Hire
Joined APC: Nov 2012
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Did I miss a post or misunderstand, but if this is a 2 year extension, shouldn't we get a pay raise in 2019 also? It looks like the company wants a 2 year extension, but only wants to pay for 1. If it takes 2 years to re-negotiate, then we could be 3 years without a pay raise, that would pretty much negate the compounding effects of the 13% in the first year.
Also, depending on the ratios and the language, if DL profit sharing gets folded into their pay rates and then excluded from our "Me Too" clause, we may have a hard time seeing any value from the clause. How many times have we had language interpretation issues with the company and it turned out our way?
Also, depending on the ratios and the language, if DL profit sharing gets folded into their pay rates and then excluded from our "Me Too" clause, we may have a hard time seeing any value from the clause. How many times have we had language interpretation issues with the company and it turned out our way?
11-27-2015, 05:00 AM
#325
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Position: 737
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Originally Posted by Thor
I'm actually ridiculing and discrediting a process that argues over something that doesn't exist. That something is details and language of a proposed AIP. I'm sure you've read everything that's come out of the union lately, have you seen the details from those sources? The messages from the MC and the LEC officers I've read have been to "please respect the process", yet you seem surprised when I criticize an anonymous source on the web?
Lets try this, below is a list of "high level MEC execs":
Captain Jay Heppner
Captain Bob Fox Vice
Captain Bruce Bishop
First Officer Rick Cameron
Captain Steve Gillen
Captain Mark Adams
So which one told you it was 13%? If you don't want to name names, why not? I have no doubt that there are leaks and maybe it makes you feel important to play "I've got a secret". As a union, what does this process do to foster trust and unity?
The SEC has rules for corporations to speak to all shareholders as group through a press release. In fact, if a corporations did what our union officers are doing (according to you) they'd be under investigation for insider trading.
Information can be used to wield power, and if an elected MEC officer is sharing details within a select group and not the pilots at large I want to know why.
Lets try this, below is a list of "high level MEC execs":
Captain Jay Heppner
Captain Bob Fox Vice
Captain Bruce Bishop
First Officer Rick Cameron
Captain Steve Gillen
Captain Mark Adams
So which one told you it was 13%? If you don't want to name names, why not? I have no doubt that there are leaks and maybe it makes you feel important to play "I've got a secret". As a union, what does this process do to foster trust and unity?
The SEC has rules for corporations to speak to all shareholders as group through a press release. In fact, if a corporations did what our union officers are doing (according to you) they'd be under investigation for insider trading.
Information can be used to wield power, and if an elected MEC officer is sharing details within a select group and not the pilots at large I want to know why.
11-27-2015, 08:01 AM
#329
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Posts: 2,159
Originally Posted by Probe
And we finally made it back to that contract, pay wise. Vacation override is gone forever, and PBS is here to stay.
However, if it is here to stay, it will have to be greatly improved upon. We need our union to demand an adequate staffing formula. I keep hearing about the need for reserve improvements. I agree too. However, it we adressed it in PBS it would translate into the daily lives. Ie. reserve coverage increases should be addressed. this would help us staff a set or minimum number to cover the various departure slots/gates. No way should we see 8 short calls a month. I think it starts with PBS and how reserve lines are built and awareded and the number of pilots on reserve. Remember the 10% reserve minimum compliment? Let's get back to that.
why is vacation over-ride gone forever? I don't understand this logic. Just demand it, or at least demand vacation be worth more time. I think our vacation time is tremendously under-valued.
11-27-2015, 08:06 AM
#330
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Originally Posted by Dragon7
Moved to base this summer, and still annoyed no improvements to reserve, specifically FSB. From discussions with friends at Fedex, AA, SWA, and Delta, our reserve with APU, VDO, and CC is actually not that bad at all compared to them. BUT, the inclusion of FSB in this contract that "the company will never use", is a huge problem. My phone rang constantly 10-13 mins after block in all summer to come back the next day after flying a 3-4 day. But trading it for earlier than 1000 on the first day, even though getting converted to short call day 1 is pretty common, is not worth it.
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