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Old 04-18-2016 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
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Lol, yes working three low paying part time jobs will skew the numbers vs. one good paying job of the past. Do you realize the stock market is artificially inflated because of QE and the bailouts?
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Old 04-18-2016 | 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
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FAR 117
NAI application was delayed for over 2 years
Signed the 2012 Airlines Bankruptcy Payments Rollover Act into law
Changed 75 year old biased Union voting rules to straight up simple majority

The record is pretty clear. I'd vote for him in 2016 if he could run. You looked at your B-fund returns for the last 7 years? How about your career progression? Can it get any better?
Me too, but hey ,facts don't fly on Fox.
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Old 04-18-2016 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Glenntilton
Lol, yes working three low paying part time jobs will skew the numbers vs. one good paying job of the past.
That's a long term issue resulting from a government of, for and by corporate America who short sightedly don't like high (much less minimum) wages, unions or even taxes for corporations or the executives who run them.
Originally Posted by Glenntilton
Do you realize the stock market is artificially inflated because of QE and the bailouts?
I realize that the hangover from a Global economic crisis (nearly a depression) brought on by deregulation of the banks is no small matter. Romney's campaign promises were far less than the Obama/Bernanke recovery. Thankfully we have had reality-based leadership for the last seven years unlike the Republican primary clown car.
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Old 04-18-2016 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
That's a long term issue resulting from a government of, for and by corporate America who short sightedly don't like high (much less minimum) wages, unions or even taxes for corporations or the executives who run them. I realize that the hangover from a Global economic crisis (nearly a depression) brought on by deregulation of the banks is no small matter. Romney's campaign promises were far less than the Obama/Bernanke recovery. Thankfully we have had reality-based leadership for the last seven years unlike the Republican primary clown car.
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Old 04-18-2016 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisJT6
14 CFR 117 II. D.

"D. Congressional Mandate On August 1, 2010, the President signed the Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010 (Public Law 111-216). Section 212 of Public Law 111-216 required “the FAA Administrator to issue regulations to limit the number of flight and duty time hours allowed for pilots to address pilot fatigue.” This section, in subsection 212(a)(3), set a deadline of 180 days for the FAA to publish an NPRM and 1 year for the FAA to issue a final rule."

First you say credit for 117 to Obama now your dig in with Babbitt...easy Wolf Blitzer!

Every word I wrote was fact. He signed it but had nothing to do with the work to create the bipartisan act. This rule was a done deal sitting in the White House past the congressional deadline...you tell us how Fred made BO carve out the cargo pilots after the rule was in final draft form from his own FAA administrator? Sorry if I hurt your liberal feelings. After you're done crying, read the rule for yourself before you blast away and hurt yourself.

Let's look at your quote above, Hannity. Congress passed a bill mandating a DEADLINE "for the FAA to publish...and issue a final rule". You post as if Congress wrote FAR 117 and all the POTUS had to do is sign it. LOL. Congress is great at setting deadlines, the FAA issued the ruling. Obama's FAA...at the time led by his appointee...a former UNION CHIEF. Don't look for that in a Cruz administration. This ruling changed regs that were decades old. Part of Obama's pro-labor legacy. One for the history books. And yes, the lobby money from Fred and UPS was huge, as was the republican congressional opposition. Deals/compromises were made.
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Old 04-18-2016 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
Let's look at your quote above, Hannity. Congress passed a bill mandating a DEADLINE "for the FAA to publish...and issue a final rule". You post as if Congress wrote FAR 117 and all the POTUS had to do is sign it. LOL. Congress is great at setting deadlines, the FAA issued the ruling. Obama's FAA...at the time led by his appointee...a former UNION CHIEF. Don't look for that in a Cruz administration. This ruling changed regs that were decades old. Part of Obama's pro-labor legacy. One for the history books. And yes, the lobby money from Fred and UPS was huge, as was the republican congressional opposition. Deals/compromises were made.
All I did was state a fact which you blasted me for accusing me of making things up. So I followed up w more nothing but quoted law and you still want to keep spinning. Read again, it required specific changes (look up the hugely bipartisan Act too if you want more info) as well as a "Deadline" and if you think Babbitt made these changes without Congress making law requiring him to do so, not Lol, not funny..well I disagree w you this was a great Obama accomplishment. No comprise was needed, it was in final form on time by Obama's FAA and he had it changed after not just signing what his FAA appointee gave him.
I am not taking a political side other than pointing out law followed by the fact our cargo brothers were carved out of a final draft law. Keep cheering on while most ALPA pilots know what happened. I said "Congressional mandate", you said I made that up and was "BS"...maybe you should read these items for yourself more carefully before you speak or comment. Or we can keep doing more Leap classes every 2 years until you change, ha! I cut and pasted the law for you and you still want to blast away from your Rocky Mtn High Horse.

You can give credit to Obama and Boozing Babbitt; good for you. I give it solely to the families of the Colgan Air Crash Victims that lobbied their reps to pass the quoted act which caused change.

Also, I made no comment on supporting anyone in politics.

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Old 04-18-2016 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisJT6
All I did was state a fact which you blasted me for accusing me of making things up. So I followed up w more nothing but quoted law and you still want to keep spinning. Read again, it required specific changes (look up the hugely bipartisan Act too if you want more info) as well as a "Deadline" and if you think Babbitt made these changes without Congress making law requiring him to do so, not Lol, not funny..well I disagree w you this was a great Obama accomplishment. No comprise was needed, it was in final form on time by Obama's FAA and he had it changed after not just signing what his FAA appointee gave him.
I am not taking a political side other than pointing out law followed by the fact our cargo brothers were carved out of a final draft law. Keep cheering on while most ALPA pilots know what happened. I said "Congressional mandate", you said I made that up and was "BS"...maybe you should read these items for yourself more carefully before you speak or comment. Or we can keep doing more Leap classes every 2 years until you change, ha! I cut and pasted the law for you and you still want to blast away from your Rocky Mtn High Horse.

You can give credit to Obama and Boozing Babbitt; good for you. I give it solely to the families of the Colgan Air Crash Victims that lobbied their reps to pass the quoted act which caused change.

Also, I made no comment on supporting anyone in politics.

The Colgan crash was a catalyst, yes...but ALPA had been lobbying for science based regulations for years...well before Colgan. When the POTUS appoints a former head of ALPA to run the FAA, you KNOW what side he is on. It was just a matter of time. BTW, the FAA issues rulings and regulations without Congressional mandates every day. It's their purpose. The Law you copied and pasted is not FAR 117. FAR 117, like all FARs, are rules prescribed by the FAA governing all aviation activities in the United States.. Have a good day. Oh, and I loved the Leap class.
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Old 04-18-2016 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
The Colgan crash was a catalyst, yes...but ALPA had been lobbying for science based regulations for years...well before Colgan. When the POTUS appoints a former head of ALPA to run the FAA, you KNOW what side he is on. It was just a matter of time. BTW, the FAA issues rulings and regulations without Congressional mandates every day. It's their purpose. The Law you copied and pasted is not FAR 117. FAR 117, like all FARs, are rules prescribed by the FAA governing all aviation activities in the United States.. Have a good day. Oh, and I loved the Leap class.
According the FAA.gov website where I cut it from it is FAR 117.

Also, ask a SWA pilot what they think about SWA labor relations led by SWA VP of Labor Relations Mr. Randy Babbitt, picketing for the first time in their history.
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Old 04-18-2016 | 10:43 AM
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So...the Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010 (Public Law 111-216) IS FAR 117. That's your testimony? C'mon man. That doesn't hold water....from your own post...."This section, in subsection 212(a)(3), set a deadline of 180 days for the FAA to publish an NPRM and 1 year for the FAA to issue a final rule.""

And yes, I know Babbitt switched teams. Sad really.

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Old 04-18-2016 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
So...the Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010 (Public Law 111-216) IS FAR 117. That's your testimony? C'mon man. That doesn't hold water....from your own post...."This section, in subsection 212(a)(3), set a deadline of 180 days for the FAA to publish an NPRM and 1 year for the FAA to issue a final rule.""

And yes, I know Babbitt switched teams. Sad really.

Sled
Well it is mentioned in 14 CFR 117 Section II Background Part D. Congressional Mandate.
Naw man, I clearly never said it was any other section (Sec III. final rule) of FAR 117, I specifically gave you the reference to show you I wasn't creating history and that the FAA credits (in FAR 117) Congress for the mandate requiring the change which you claimed was "BS".
Yes it is sad what is happening at SWA. We've had our share of pain, but that sucks that a former ALPA leader is the one sticking it to a great US pilot group. It's okay I am not judging; you can admit you've switched sides a few times on your extra long layovers

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