Scott Stoops

So first off, you aren't paying attention if you aren't ****ed off at pierce and company.

Second, I agree, new blood will make most of this better over time. As for me being a drama queen, I was a Captain in Denver more than a decade ago, yet I can't get back home now at 4300 seniority because of calpa. No big deal, only about 80 nights a year away from my wife and children while commuting. So... But hey, 7400 gets to drive to work.

svergin

You won the SLI. What more do you want?

Scott Stoops

I didn't win ****. I would like to be able to fly out of the base that I spent most of my career flying out of. I live in Colorado. We have a base there. Go figure that I can't be a Cap there when I am over 3000 numbers senior to the junior cap in base.

CousinEddie

Little confused here Scott. I flew a Europe trip about 4 months ago with a L-UAL guy that shortly thereafter took a Captain bid. He lives in DEN and is a former PI if I recall. I looked him up and see he is now a 737 Capt in DEN (just finished traning), seniority just shy of 7000 with bid 16-03V. I'm ignorant to the dynamics of DEN, so how did that happen? What kept you from that bid?

Scott Stoops

There have been two? cap bids in Denver since the sli (circa fall 2012). I was eligible for only those.

They both went very senior (Sub 2500?) Since then, there have been zero cap bids. You are probably talking about Jerry Coleman? He took a junior lax cap bid. Great guy. He didn't get trained in time thus the bump. Thus the cap bid in den.

As a result of the cal cap grab which went very junior, the entire den 757 base had bumping seniority to hold 737 cap in den. I have had a den cap bid in since 2009. Not once has a bid that I was eligible for gone junior to me since late 2009.

Scott

CousinEddie

I don't get it then. Check 6974 on the DEN 737 CAP list. He was a 777 F/O a few months ago. Great guy by the way, I just don't understand the dynamics behind how he got the bid based on what you are pointing out. Maybe I'm missing something that should be obvious.

jsled

He was bumped off the 757 in Den. Went to 737 Cap in Den. Then Bumped off the 737 to 777 FO. Then awarded 737 Cap Den on 16-03V. He had grandfather rights under 8-C-6.

CousinEddie

Got it. My thanks to Sled the forum bump expert. In this pilots case, all I can say is well played.

Scott Stoops

So at 4300 I am still not a den 737 cap right? Crap.

baseball

1. I try not to re-read any of your posts
2. I have a very good attention span
3. ALPA National reserves the right NOT to sign a contract for various reasons, the BYlaws have very little to do with the final endorsement.
4. Everything is a negotiation. I never said the company would "happily agree to change the contract that we agreed to."


This thread went way off course. The original issue was: why are there so many open 767-300 trips?

Both on the CA and FO side:

The answer is: The 767 300 is considered to be a wide body airplane. Those Captains accustomed to flying those Atlantic crossing trips and getting paid wide body pay are not happy about the pay. It pays more to DH on a guppy then it does to fly your own equipment.

On the FO side, it's the same. If you didn't like flying with 0825L (Weller) when he was a 75 Captain then you didn't like flying with him as a77 or 78 Captain.....

And by the way, ALPA National decided NOT to go after 76-300 pay originally (in SLI contract) because they thought the company was phasing out the airplane. Now that the airplane is staying and the fleet plan shows them hanging around we have an issue, hence the pilots upset over pay. It would have been a low cost item to include a 76 300 wide body pay rate during SLI contract 1, and just use the company's argument that it doesn't matter what we pay them if the airplane is going away. It was and is an oversight on the part of ALPA.

It's OK to be honest about it, but that's the fact jack. There have been other oversights on ALPA's part. It's just the nature of negotiating, sometimes the company gets one over on you.

We should have proper rates of pay for all known equipment and all possible types of equipment. Not just the equipment we have on property. In particular we should ignore the company's fleet plan when insisting on our rates of pay. The company has no idea what the fleet plan will look like in 2 months, let alone 2 years.