CAL Pilots lawsuit
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Yeah. A real right wing kinda guy from his FB posts (thought right wingers were against lawsuit abuse??).
#14
I thought in LAS you were supposed to balance gambling with wine, women, and song? Oops, I think that's what you meant by "entertainment." Agree completely. Much more fun!
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We are a very innovative and inventive group.
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I never held much credence in the suit to begin with. I knew a long time ago when I heard the ALPA lawyers tell pilots to their faces that it was OK and legal for ALPA to use ALPA moneys to represent and negotiate on behalf of regional carriers who were going after our scope clauses, our routes, and our revenue streams and ultimately our livelihoods and incomes that internal conflicts of interest exist within ALPA and they are sort of danced around, not talked about publicly, and on their face unethical, but are entirely legal. Therefore, I knew then that ALPA was under no legally compelling or binding way obligated to be "fair" (whatever that really means) as it relates to a merger process.
The real lesson here goes back to when ALPA was courting Continental and kept pushing it's public version of their ultra-cool and ultra-"fair" merger policy and the ALPA tool box. ALPA didn't make any references to what it deemed as a "fair process" to the CAL pilots and really the vote to join ALPA was going to fail unless ALPA was successful in winning over the CAL Express pilots. Without their votes the entire CAL going back to ALPA would have failed. So, likely it was those former express pilots that feel "jipped" the most. They bought it hook, line, and sinker and feel like ALPA lied to them in the "courting process." That's just how they feel. But, remember this, if it wasn't for them and their votes to join ALPA in the first place, we wouldn't even be having this virtual discussion on fair and equitable, for the ALPA policy manual, and the differences between the two CAL ALPA and UAL ALPA policy manuals would be a moot point.
The real lesson here goes back to when ALPA was courting Continental and kept pushing it's public version of their ultra-cool and ultra-"fair" merger policy and the ALPA tool box. ALPA didn't make any references to what it deemed as a "fair process" to the CAL pilots and really the vote to join ALPA was going to fail unless ALPA was successful in winning over the CAL Express pilots. Without their votes the entire CAL going back to ALPA would have failed. So, likely it was those former express pilots that feel "jipped" the most. They bought it hook, line, and sinker and feel like ALPA lied to them in the "courting process." That's just how they feel. But, remember this, if it wasn't for them and their votes to join ALPA in the first place, we wouldn't even be having this virtual discussion on fair and equitable, for the ALPA policy manual, and the differences between the two CAL ALPA and UAL ALPA policy manuals would be a moot point.
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The biggest heartburn is with the bottom third of the L-CAL seniority list, Continental joined ALPA in 1995. I doubt anyone from the bottom third was even working at an Express carrier when the vote to join ALPA was taken.
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