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Old 08-13-2016 | 06:12 AM
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Honestly enough IAH pilots are so wound up about the displacements down here I wouldn't be surprised if there was a coordinated effort to attempt to get everyone that can hold it to displace to IAH 777 FO.

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Old 08-13-2016 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AV82SKI
With this latest announcement of 75 787 displacements, I see 777 secondary displacements down the road. So the 38 guys just awarded a IAH 777 FO vacancy on 1611V may be short term place holders until the 787 guys slide on over to the 777. Brilliant.
Wouldn't it be wise to just cancel 1611v? If this bid will actually result in more displacements then that can't be good.

Since 1994, I have only been displaced once, and that was when my base closed. Something strange going on......
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Old 08-13-2016 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Birddog
Honestly enough IAH pilots are so wound up about the displacements down here I wouldn't be surprised if there was a coordinated effort to attempt to get everyone that can hold it to displace to IAH 777 FO.

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That would be both the best money and schedule.
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Old 08-13-2016 | 06:45 AM
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Wouldn't it be wise to just cancel 1611v? If this bid will actually result in more displacements then that can't be good.

Since 1994, I have only been displaced once, and that was when my base closed. Something strange going on......
Yea, it's called a merger. A poorly executed one at that.

Schedule, money, and aggravate Herve. It's a three-fer.

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Old 08-13-2016 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball
Wouldn't it be wise to just cancel 1611v? If this bid will actually result in more displacements then that can't be good.

Since 1994, I have only been displaced once, and that was when my base closed. Something strange going on......
8-F-3 addresses cancellation of vacancy awards. Not clear if they can cancel an award for just one BES without cancelling the whole thing. I'm guessing at this point someone with a 1611V award is already scheduled for an early Sept. training date (14 day notice required).

The company could have displaced before the 1611V was awarded and that would of prevented the mess that is coming. You would think with 75 787 displacements and 50 vacancies on the 777 in IAH you could forecast how it would play out.
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Old 08-13-2016 | 01:06 PM
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Figure the first bump will be just 787 FOs in IAH, but if that creates too much of an overstaffing on the 777 in IAH then they will bump off of the 787 and 777 in rounds two and three.

If guys are "volunteering" on the first round they may be senior enough to really create issues for rounds two and three, since they wouldn't be the ones getting bumped off of the 777.
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Old 08-13-2016 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AV82SKI
8-F-3 addresses cancellation of vacancy awards. Not clear if they can cancel an award for just one BES without cancelling the whole thing. I'm guessing at this point someone with a 1611V award is already scheduled for an early Sept. training date (14 day notice required).

The company could have displaced before the 1611V was awarded and that would of prevented the mess that is coming. You would think with 75 787 displacements and 50 vacancies on the 777 in IAH you could forecast how it would play out.
I think I cracked the code,

1. Flight ops, training, staffing, and marketing meet twice a year.
2. None of these departments have the others phone numbers,and are not allowed to email anyone outside their department.
3. There are separate offices that manage vacancies and displacements, and they have equal power.
4. There must be a bonus for the department that can generate the most training cycles and/or paid moves.
5. Management has a mandate to perform all vacancies first and then all displacements.
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Old 08-13-2016 | 02:33 PM
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They should all bump to IAH 777 FO or to the 747 and wait for another displacement on either.
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Old 08-13-2016 | 08:12 PM
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And everyone should continue to bid like Scabs!
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Old 08-14-2016 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by svergin
Probably nothing. The training costs are fixed, since the PIs get paid whether or not they are training anyone.

Also what is the cost to have to train other pilots to fly those other positions that these extra pilots could be flying? I'm guessing the cost to just pay 100 WB FOs is a lot more than putting them somewhere they will be productive.
A displacement costs the company plenty. First of all, the pilot is non-productive for about least six weeks, while drawing full pay. A WB F/O probably costs the company at least $20,000/mo. including benefits, so $30,000. The pilot is entitled to a paid move, which can be very expensive to the company if you are moving from IAH to SFO. My last paid move (voluntary bump) from LAX to ORD probably cost the company $25,000 for my max allowed weight move (moving company drivers estimate, I didn't see the company's bill). If you bump from the 787 to the 747 in SFO, you will shortly have another bump as UA retires the 747.

Bumps are a GREAT deal for a pilot, to a large extent because there is no freeze with a bump.

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