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08-16-2022, 07:09 AM

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767pilot

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Originally Posted by icohftb

For a PHX resident would yall recommend bidding ONT for commute?

I hear crash pads in ont are pretty scarce,maybe non existent.

08-16-2022, 07:26 AM

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For a PHX resident would yall recommend bidding ONT for commute?

I hear crash pads in ont are pretty scarce,maybe non existent.

08-16-2022, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by icohftb

For a PHX resident would yall recommend bidding ONT for commute?

If you’re starting in one of the next few classes I’d bid SDF75 if you can hold it. There’s only one crashpad in ONT and the past few classes have had a good amount of people get sent to ONT. There may be a empty bed or two still available. The guy who runs it posts in the RST UPS Facebook page when there are available beds.
In addition to that you’ll get a line quicker in SDF than you will in ONT since so many was sent to ONT in the last few classes. A few of us watched classmates in SDF get lines during their second bid period with the company while we spent 8 months on reserve. Once you’re able to hold a line consistently then bid out to ONT. The short commute is nice but reserve is not IMO.

09-18-2022, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 767pilot

I hear crash pads in ont are pretty scarce,maybe non existent.

They are very non-existent. I remember taking a new hire FO to his crashpad after he jumpseated into ONT because I felt bad about him having to take an Uber on first year pay. It took 25 minutes to get there! I didn't mind at all, but I was thinking "jeeze, if you had to get called out in the middle of the night with Ubers and Lyfts being hard to come by now, that's gotta be nearly impossible!"

09-20-2022, 09:24 AM

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Currently first year with AA and live/based in DFW. Invited for resume review with UPS. Big assumption, this leads to a CJO with UPS. Would you do it? I'm a little north of 50 years old if that helps with your advice/guidance. Thank you.

09-20-2022, 10:05 AM

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Well thats 15 years of pension plus 220k second year pay. Probably by 3rd-4th year almost 300k a year

09-20-2022, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by countsk

The commute from DFW is an easy one leg, but is definitely a commute.

Financially, I would say this is a likely slam dunk to go to UPS. You will take a hit your first year, but probably be even by end of the second year. Assuming you bid first available upgrade, you will likely be making wide body captain money by age 56-57. That gives you 8-9 years in a pay category you will never reach at AA. Finally, at both places you should max out your tax advantaged savings at $60k+ per year. However, at UPS you can stack a pension paying roughly $65k per year (for roughly 15 years of work) for the rest of your life on top of that. In other words, you will not have to worry about running out of money in retirement.

Regardless, good luck going forward.

09-20-2022, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by countsk

Nope. Get paid to sit at home.

09-20-2022, 09:00 PM

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What do you want more?
Money= UPS.
QOL= AA.
Widebody flying at AA is imho more palatable than UPS, generally speaking. But more diverse at UPS.
Seniority at UPS doesn't get you better schedules, it gets you more days off away from the rough schedules.
Hella.

09-21-2022, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Recliner

If you are commuting on a UPS jet from an outstation to a hub what is the parking like at the outstations? Are you allowed to park at the outstation? Is there a charge or time limit? Or does it just depend?

Is it pretty easy to jumpseat on FedEx to get to SDF?

Airline guy that uses a gateway to commute through SDF on UPS occasionally. My cities UPS created a fenced employee lot near the cargo facility. I haven't used it yet, but was told just park there, no questions asked. Couldn't be any more accommodating! When I do use it, I'll simply leave a sign on the window maybe with dates of return, phone number etc. Just to avoid surprises when coming home.