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Old 09-12-2021, 06:51 AM
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A metro area of 1.4M people is a "small college town"?

You ever been to Starkville, Clemson, State College, Salina, or Eugene?

Give The Ville its propers - its at LEAST a "small college city".
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Old 09-12-2021, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FTv3 View Post
So it appears you have convinced yourself on paper it’s a justified move. Yet, inside you aren’t quite as sure, hence the post here?

You specified your only real motivation for jumping to UPS is to live in domicile, yet life isn’t bad commuting to ATL. As far as commuting goes, it doesn’t get much easier than yours. Your math on this seems accurate but you’d really have to look at your TAFH (H=home) flying at Brown in base vs. commuting at DAL to have a useful comparison. And don’t forget that at UPS you’re gunna come home and be useless for a day or two sometimes. Just the nature of the beast with the hours we fly here but you should factor that in too as lost time. Also, you’re going to trade 6 yrs of seniority to start over, be on probation again (some potential risk there) for $45/hr, losing travel bennys, a fair chance you might not even get louisville right off the bat and have an even worse commute (ONT, ANC, MIA). Even getting SDF, I can tell you the days of guys sitting reserve at home not getting called out are probably over for good - don’t expect to have overly incredible amounts of time at home, especially being junior.

Taking another leap, I wonder if you’re minimizing the difference in corporate cultures too much. Yeah, I’ve argued for years in these threads that UPS is tolerable but it’s still somewhat of miserable place to work. The open lack of integrity gets harder to swallow by the year not to mention the difference in safety culture between the two companies. The contract we have is awesome but the people we work for put a big stain on whatever joy we might get out of it. Just make sure you know what you’re getting into.

The back side of the clock flying we do is also something to factor in - there’s a lot of it and it all sucks no matter how good you get at dealing with it. Yes, you can find good day flying especially living in domicile but youre gunna give up a lot of flexibility to hold those schedules and are still only 1 revision away from the night flying. Even international is starting to go downhill with 24hr layovers plaguing the bid package and utter chaos for anything that touches Asia these days. FYI - There’s tons of info in these threads with lots of specifics. Search night flying, UPS schedules or look at posts by me under FTFF username.

Overall, I’d say it’s not worth it. Maybe if you only had a year or 2 at Delta or a crappy commute, or have a personal situation demanding more time in SDF you could argue otherwise. At best it’s a lateral move that requires a setback. Not sure if this helps but I have a little over 6 years here; though a little reluctant about doing it, I’d trade places with you if I could. Last, consider these 2 time honored platitudes: “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it,” and, “No balls, no glory.”

Good luck with you decision. Hope some of this info helps.
OP, I disagree with FTv here, and most of his post.

I have a few friends that started here and bailed for FedEX and UPS when they went UNA. I have one friend who bailed to FedEX after 7 years here.

You've analyzed the pros and cons. No need to rehash. For the length of your career you'll do better at UPS. No doubt. Truly a show up, fly, go home type outfit. No pax, no FA's, no gate agents, no JV's, no regional DCI affiliations and you get IPA vs ALPA.

Since you seek validation - got to UPS and don't look back.
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Old 09-12-2021, 10:04 AM
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Sounds like you’ve done your HW.

Don't under estimate how crappy backside flying can be. It’s a personal thing for every one but If you aren’t a late night owl it may not be ideal. That’s the biggest risk of all. Not knowing if you truly can deal with flying the sort or long haul.

The most unfortunate thing is that I have a UPS friend in the exact opposite situation(lives in ATL and would love DL for that reason) who would prob trade with you if we could do that.
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Old 09-12-2021, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Drum View Post
(UPS is) Truly a show up, fly, go home type outfit. No pax, no FA's, no gate agents, no JV's, no regional DCI affiliations and you get IPA vs ALPA.
Agree with all these points.
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Old 09-12-2021, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by marcal View Post
Don't under estimate how crappy backside flying can be. It’s a personal thing for every one but If you aren’t a late night owl it may not be ideal. That’s the biggest risk of all. Not knowing if you truly can deal with flying the sort or long haul.
Lots of flying/schedule variety so each can find the niche that works best them. But, you need seniority to have those options and it bites you twice: once as an FO and again with upgrade.
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Old 09-12-2021, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FTv3 View Post
Lots of flying/schedule variety so each can find the niche that works best them. But, you need seniority to have those options and it bites you twice: once as an FO and again with upgrade.

One is mandatory…the other is totally on you.
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Old 09-13-2021, 03:29 PM
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Something that hasn't been mentioned here and I think makes a difference is the Pay restrictions in the current UPS contract. I don't think Delta has any credit limits.
Win for Delta.
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Old 09-13-2021, 03:56 PM
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For the OP, the union just shot out the latest new hires. All of the legacies are represented in this most recent class, so you are hardly alone in pursuing this course of action.

For the RJ guys, a fair number of guys coming from that background in this class. Including a Compass guy (I thought they went under).

For the ACMI types, Atlas (lots), Kalitta, and Omni all were represented. Thanks once again to Atlas for running UPS’ unofficial flow.
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Old 09-13-2021, 09:10 PM
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We Hook’m, Catch’m, Clean’m and y’all fry’m but with Brown Gravy $$$. Good for them! Our factory has always been a strong churn.
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Old 10-17-2021, 04:32 AM
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Did you end up staying or leaving??
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