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McBoeingBus 03-25-2023 12:51 PM

UPS FQS are a diverse group with regards to abilities as well as compensation. These two things do not necessarily correlate. The 1990-2000 FQS were compensated well and are very different from the new guys. I recently chatted with a UPS buddy who knows some newer FQSs and they are a little underwhelmed considering their pay and work when compared to IPA pilots. You'd probably have to live in domicile, so other than the first year, I don't see the FQS much ahead. Who knows, go to the interview, ask for the moon and see what happens.

Trip7x 03-25-2023 02:54 PM

I am sure there’s a difference in the former IPA pilots that went FQS route compared to the guys hired off the streets. The pension would be a deciding factor for me. That’s a good chunk of change to leave on the table regardless of your age.

pilotr 03-25-2023 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 3613431)
The only thing I can offer you is to make sure you understand that is a non union position. There is no published pay scale or work rules and no contractual protections of any kind. You do what they say no matter what to FAA limits, assuming you’re flying instead of administrative duties. Benefits can and do change on a whim, such as the loss of pension that recently took place.

Don’t get me wrong, there are some good guys that do that job, but it’s not really a flying job for the most part. Good luck and do your research as to why you may not be well received by some line guys. There are very good reasons for that.

Thank you. Good reasoning. I've heard the pay is fantastic for FQL, but it is hard to pin down any specific details. For those of us near the end of a career, it is a potential path to maximize finances. And just because someone is a "manager" does not mean they must sell their soul. I've worked on both sides of the line at several companies and try to work with integrity, no matter which role I'm in.

pilotr 03-25-2023 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 3613506)
Then we'll just go ahead and start ignoring you now so you can get used to it.

I can appreciate that humor! Even if it stings a bit.....

pilotr 03-25-2023 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by McBoeingBus (Post 3613636)
UPS FQS are a diverse group with regards to abilities as well as compensation. These two things do not necessarily correlate. The 1990-2000 FQS were compensated well and are very different from the new guys. I recently chatted with a UPS buddy who knows some newer FQSs and they are a little underwhelmed considering their pay and work when compared to IPA pilots. You'd probably have to live in domicile, so other than the first year, I don't see the FQS much ahead. Who knows, go to the interview, ask for the moon and see what happens.

Many Thanks!

MidwestMaster 03-26-2023 03:22 AM

The only difference between an FQS and an IPA pilot, is the FQS people don't have 1.5% of their wages garnished for union dues. Everything else is pretty much the same these days.

flyguy23 03-26-2023 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by MidwestMaster (Post 3613895)
The only difference between an FQS and an IPA pilot, is the FQS people don't have 1.5% of their wages garnished for union dues. Everything else is pretty much the same these days.

That’s pretty funny. Keep telling yourself that.

tnkrdrvr 03-26-2023 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by pilotr (Post 3613865)
Thank you. Good reasoning. I've heard the pay is fantastic for FQL, but it is hard to pin down any specific details. For those of us near the end of a career, it is a potential path to maximize finances. And just because someone is a "manager" does not mean they must sell their soul. I've worked on both sides of the line at several companies and try to work with integrity, no matter which role I'm in.

A recently hired FQS I chatted with to kill time on hot stby informed me of what his compensation was. It’s six figures less than an IPA Capt and not substantially more than an FO. He came in as a Capt, so got to jump the line, but compensation and benefits for new FQS seriously lags IPA members. Work hours on the other hand are far higher. If your goal is to make hay while the sun is shining, IPA is the way to go. The days of management pilots walking away with a pension and millions in stock are over.

Swedish Blender 03-26-2023 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by MidwestMaster (Post 3613895)
The only difference between an FQS and an IPA pilot, is the FQS people don't have 1.5% of their wages garnished for union dues. Everything else is pretty much the same these days.


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C2078 03-26-2023 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by MidwestMaster (Post 3613895)
The only difference between an FQS and an IPA pilot, is the FQS people don't have 1.5% of their wages garnished for union dues. Everything else is pretty much the same these days.

Can clearly tell you don’t work here. This must be one of the most idiotic statement I have ever heard.


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