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airplanes 03-22-2023 05:27 PM

Also consider you might get sent to a heavy class that will probably mean a long time commuting to anc.

That being said, I left delta for ups shortly after starting and I don’t regret it. Retirements and seniority progression favor ups long term. But the race off the bottom is better at delta currently.

Oh, and brown pants.

tnkrdrvr 03-22-2023 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Double80 (Post 3611793)
Assuming hiring starts back this summer, looking for opinions. I’ve been a poolie since 1 Nov 22. I start at Delta on 4 Apr. Previous to this hiring slowdown and Delta’s contract (when I interviewed last Oct), I was leaning more UPS. However, now I’m wondering if it’d be worth it to leave Delta (albeit only for a few months) considering current trends/contract. We‘ve started looking at relocating to ATL area, but would probably do that for SDF if I went to UPS. BL, I’d live in either domicile. Correct me if I’m wrong, but these are the biggest detractors: circadian flips/backside of clock, slow progression, Pilot/company relationship, 1st year pay. Am I missing any other considerations?

Obviously, go to Delta for now. If you are on the fence about which company, take your time on committing to the ATL move.

Circadian rhythm can be tough. Probably will impact you less living in domicile. Pilots vs labor will be a thing here forever, but easy to ignore 80% of the time. 1st year pay blows. Career progression isn’t fast (due primarily to single pay scale), but our retirement wave is just starting and the percentages aren’t bad. This is a great job, but it probably only wins if you are older than 45 (pension vs time value of money in B plan). Delta’s new pay scales are nice, but six months ago they sucked (relatively speaking). Our pay probably will leapfrog theirs in a few years.

Good luck with your choices

CardboardCutout 03-22-2023 09:54 PM

Agree with the above, and I'm by no means a cheerleader, but the union/company relationship thing is, IMHO, a red herring. It's weirder and more obviously contentious here, but it's basically the same everywhere. They want to pay you less, you want to be paid more. At least here no one sees it any other way. And the Company's resolute insistence on pinching every penny often plays in to our hands. You will find zero "company men" on the line, here.

Fujisan 03-24-2023 12:07 AM

Congratulations !!!!!!
 

Originally Posted by SgtV (Post 3611169)
Can only speak from my experience. Initially applied in the July 2022 window. Resume review and Hogan happened in December. Then got the "reapply after 1 Jan" email. I did and got an email about 2 weeks ago to schedule my interview for 23 March. YMMV, but it seems like they are trying to get caught up.


Its great to see movement. I'm sure you had a great interview. The two gentlemen who interviewed me were fantastic. Professional through and through.

Again congratulations.

pilotr 03-25-2023 12:17 AM

Back to the FQL Pilot Manager again. Anyone have the official payscale and benefits for this position?

For those of us towards the twilight of our career, this position is interesting.
Thanks again...

flyguy23 03-25-2023 03:47 AM


Originally Posted by pilotr (Post 3613332)
Back to the FQL Pilot Manager again. Anyone have the official payscale and benefits for this position?

For those of us towards the twilight of our career, this position is interesting.
Thanks again...


In the wrong place for that info. Not published anywhere either.

Also curious why you find it interesting with little or no information?

C2078 03-25-2023 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 3613353)
In the wrong place for that info. Not published anywhere either.

Also curious why you find it interesting with little or no information?

He wants to “skip the line”.

flyguy23 03-25-2023 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by pilotr (Post 3613332)
Back to the FQL Pilot Manager again. Anyone have the official payscale and benefits for this position?

For those of us towards the twilight of our career, this position is interesting.
Thanks again...


The only thing I can offer you is to make sure you understand that is a non union position. There is no published pay scale or work rules and no contractual protections of any kind. You do what they say no matter what to FAA limits, assuming you’re flying instead of administrative duties. Benefits can and do change on a whim, such as the loss of pension that recently took place.

Don’t get me wrong, there are some good guys that do that job, but it’s not really a flying job for the most part. Good luck and do your research as to why you may not be well received by some line guys. There are very good reasons for that.

Swedish Blender 03-25-2023 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by pilotr (Post 3613332)
Back to the FQL Pilot Manager again. Anyone have the official payscale and benefits for this position?

For those of us towards the twilight of our career, this position is interesting.
Thanks again...

Then we'll just go ahead and start ignoring you now so you can get used to it.

767pilot 03-25-2023 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Double80 (Post 3611793)
. Correct me if I’m wrong, but these are the biggest detractors: circadian flips/backside of clock, slow progression, Pilot/company relationship, 1st year pay. Am I missing any other considerations?

Isn't that enough <G>?


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