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Old 04-10-2024 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CardboardCutout
I'm about 75% SDF 74 F/O, and the flying is surprisingly gentlemanly even at relatively poor seniority. Lot of ANC refugee commuters, so if you're local and don't mind RSV or VTOs with domestic turns on them, you can do pretty well. Z would no doubt be slightly better in that regard due to slightly improved seniority, but big training event plus losing that wonderful galley! Also I hear they sometimes fly more than two legs on that slaveship...
“airplanes”, note: 74 and Z intl are 2 different animals. 74 is mostly long haul stuff. 76/5 is hub flying at night in Europe or Asia (afternoon-evening US time) with crossings or CMLs getting you into or out of theater. Those trips tend to be longer, 2 week type deals whereas the whale has a lot more 6, 8, 10 day trips. Not so many around the world trips or laps around the pacific like the whale has either (if any). However, lots more CMLs on Z than SDF 74 and lots more destinations too. Hawaii goes pretty senior (Z) and there’s not much of it whereas SDF 74 had a lot of trips that went SDF HNL then SYD or Asia. Re: training, consider what you’ll likely upgrade on. Way better to have time in R seat than upgrade onto a new fleet. It’s a tough decision regardless. Good luck.
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Old 04-10-2024 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CardboardCutout
I'm about 75% SDF 74 F/O, and the flying is surprisingly gentlemanly even at relatively poor seniority. Lot of ANC refugee commuters, so if you're local and don't mind RSV or VTOs with domestic turns on them, you can do pretty well. Z would no doubt be slightly better in that regard due to slightly improved seniority, but big training event plus losing that wonderful galley! Also I hear they sometimes fly more than two legs on that slaveship...
I wouldn't call 24 hour overnights gentlemen.
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Old 04-10-2024 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverside
I wouldn't call 24 hour overnights gentlemen.
It's all relative. You're going to get those on almost any line with the optimizer in full swing. Point was intended to be that low seniority 74 flying in SDF isn't all that much different from mid seniority 74 flying in ANC, minus a bunch of commutes but also minus some schedule control
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Old 04-10-2024 | 02:12 PM
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Thanks for the input everyone. Of course I still have no idea which I’ll choose
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Old 04-11-2024 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverside
I wouldn't call 24 hour overnights gentlemen.
Z one sits hard seat time around 25-40 hours per month and gets 80 hours plus credit. 747 one sits hard seat time around 70 hours and gets 75 hours credit. Plus 24 hour layovers back to back, etc. Rest Killer. Z has 14 to 100 hour layovers.
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Old 04-11-2024 | 11:51 PM
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Z one sits hard seat time around 25-40 hours per month and gets 80 hours plus credit. 747 one sits hard seat time around 70 hours and gets 75 hours credit. Plus 24 hour layovers back to back, etc. Rest Killer. Z has 14 to 100 hour layovers.
hmmm….so why is 74 so senior in the left seat?
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Old 04-12-2024 | 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
hmmm….so why is 74 so senior in the left seat?
prob cause -8 is newest airframe... we will see if it stays senior when new one arrives
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Old 04-12-2024 | 02:54 AM
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The 747-8 significantly changed the international network, leading to 747 trips being constructed differently than they were even in 2016/2017 with the 400. More longer legs mean the tails rotate back to ANC (or SDF) more frequently, allowing for a crew change and construction of shorter trips which are more efficient for the Company.

SDFZ operates completely differently within the international network than the Whale, and obviously the 767 doesn't have those kinds of legs to rotate crews as frequently.

If some hypothetical eventual new airframe does "one leg and done", it'll go senior because of 1. new shiny and 2. schedules and early mass displacements for training.

I hope its an A350F though, if only so the Boeing people bid it with gritted teeth
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Old 04-12-2024 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
The 747-8 significantly changed the international network, leading to 747 trips being constructed differently than they were even in 2016/2017 with the 400. More longer legs mean the tails rotate back to ANC (or SDF) more frequently, allowing for a crew change and construction of shorter trips which are more efficient for the Company.

SDFZ operates completely differently within the international network than the Whale, and obviously the 767 doesn't have those kinds of legs to rotate crews as frequently.

If some hypothetical eventual new airframe does "one leg and done", it'll go senior because of 1. new shiny and 2. schedules and early mass displacements for training.

I hope its an A350F though, if only so the Boeing people bid it with gritted teeth
It would be the first A350 without tray tables in the cockpit 🤣
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Old 04-12-2024 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Recliner
It would be the first A350 without tray tables in the cockpit 🤣
Now that would be funny if it wasn’t true
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