whalesurfer

Once again you cherry pick parts of a reply and resort to personal attacks simply for having reservations about the TA.
To use your preferred, name-calling form of communication, yes, I have submitted the questions - not to you because you're just an online douche, I submitted them to the EB.

whalesurfer

If this TA is so fantastic how do you explain the resumed hiring of managers? Calls started going out within two days of the TA announcement. Do they see something we don't or is it going to be another case of "sorry, they got us on that one"? A very wise person once said "Trust but Verify", is it really surprising to you some of us are somewhat suspicious or skeptical? Maybe we have more grievances on file than you? I don't know, just a thought..

I'm glad you're so incredibly excited about the TA, I wish I was in your shoes, I sincerely do. As I mentioned earlier I'll probably vote yes and that's simply because I have respect for our EB, it's right there in my initial post.

Having said that, YES I'm very disappointed about certain aspects of the TA, feel that we should've taken care of people on long term medical better. The fact those who supported junior pilots in the past now won't get any retro/bonus since they've just retired is very bothersome too. There are also other issues I'm less than happy about but I realize no contract can ever be perfect.

However, when it comes to scabs - the survey was idiotic!!! We shouldn't have been forced to pick a percentage of significance to such a critical issue. Period! Remember, the 'total' had to equal 100%

It's a cancer that needs to go and all we did is put bandaid on the surface of the skin. ..but hey, at least we won't be able to support CGN airport workers anymore so managers won't have to cross their picket lines anymore (HUGE gain - for them) - instead we will be doing that.

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Pilot7576

Whalesurfer,

Please tell me your plan to get rid of the NURPS and tell ups how to manage their airline...stomping your feet and holding your breath doesn't work...

This TA starts (yes only starts) to put limits on their use and will cause ups in the future to cost benefit analyze the whole NURP structure.

As far as hiring new NURPS, I really don't care as long as the flying keeps coming to the IPA. Maybe they bought some more magazine subscriptions and anticipate more organizing in the future.

JMO

Swedish Blender

Golly gee Wally, I'd sure love to make it, but some of us have to work more than just Wednesdays and the roadshows are all within 10 days.

Nope haven't read the FAQs, slides, TA, or watched the videos, I'm just pulling things out of my arse.

I can call you anything I want? Where'd I call you anything? I said cheerleading. That is a verb. Cheerleader would've been name calling.

Why call the EB? They said they'd answer the questions in the order they were received. I assume that's still true. Or should I pout and call and say me first? Also, I don't want the EB to answer my questions. They are about language in the contract and I want UPS/IPA to answer jointly as opposed to, "this is what I think."

FTFF

'Once again I cherry pick....????' Ok, reread what I wrote:
"Whale, I don't recall anyone saying it was a great or industry leading contract. Certain aspects certainly are and have been pointed out....". That's cherry picking?

Rather be a douche than a retard.

whalesurfer

You certainly turned out to be a real team player, didn't you? Fairly new at ups and already infamous for stifling any and all dissent.

Yes, you cherry picked the reservations I have about the TA and disregarded the fact I said I'll probably vote for it despite my disappointment with certain aspects of the agreement.

..and when I responded to you I highlighted the disgusting practice of yours of calling people names any time they don't agree with you. Something you've been doing pretty non-stop since you joined IPA. Apparently I reminded you of a fat guy sitting on a couch simply because I have a different perspective than you do. You truly are a despicable human being and I'm ashamed you're in our union.

Commando

[QUOTE=Pilot7576;2162451]Whalesurfer,

Please tell me your plan to get rid of the NURPS and tell ups how to manage their airline.

I always wondered why the IPA and Trent have never gone through the Courts on this subject. The Card drive was a joke. The way to fix this problem is to go to a Labor Court in D.C. Present one's briefs, and let the Labor Court Judge decide once and for all. But the IPA is too scared to this? Why? It's not like we have changed anything in 20 years on this.

Our Side:
Closed shop. They are doing IPA's work. They are not managers. They cannot Hire or Discipline. During the Furlough they were flying IPA's flights, etc.

Let UPS file there Briefs. And the IPA will file ours. And 6 months later the Labor Judge will make his findings known. Simple and clean.

Why the IPA will not go through the Courts to face this Cancer is head scratching.


If we lose, so what. We still have our CBA which limits the NURPS.

FTFF

Geez, sorry guy. Didn't take you for the sensitive type. I would encourage you to keep the despicable human being remarks for people who truly deserve it at UPS, particularly the non Union guys flying our planes and not your fellow IPA guys disagreeing with you on Internet boards. And if you want to be ashamed of people in the union you might be better off starting with the JA list and then move on to guys who refused to wear their vest and lanyard. You'll find none of us new guys had any problem getting in gear. Last, I would vote no in a second if there was leadership, a plan, and a willingness from the pilot group to reasses their QOL priority.

I'll review my posting history but I don't recall having a habit of name calling. I apologize in advance if I was doing it without noticing.

FTFF

Was just saying I'm not new to this game so we don't have to old standard, give it some time here and you'll understand, conversation.

On the reserve issue, as a line holder they can reschedule me for as long into my days off as they want, right? So with reserves, they aren't rescheduled but reassigned new trips and those new trips cannot, currently, go into days off. Is that the idea?

FTFF

Commando,

Totally agree with your NURP idea.

Whalesurfer,

Wasted an hour and, overlooking yesterday, didn't find a history of name calling. I did see lots of calling out bs and arguing-I'll try to chill a little bit. Still feeling kind of bad I offended ya brother..