Archie Bunker

They must fly different trips than we do then. There is no way you can stay on home time zone, on a 12-13 day international trip, flip-flopping from day to night flying...no way.

FTFF

I don't have enough experience to really talk on the matter but I've had a couple of trips where the guest FO was doing just that. I've also personally got back on home TZ towards the second half of a longer trip - but not on purpose.

G550Guy

Archie is completely correct. I participated in a FAA human factors study that tracked pilots doing long haul international flying with multiple time zone changes back in 2007. it was part of the 135 rest requirement rewrite.

What was ultimately decided was... sleep when you are tired and can't stay awake.

FTFF

It really depends on the pairing. I flipped thru the 17-02 bid pack and found a few pretty quick.

Archie Bunker

This works pretty good until you get a 24 hour layover. Trying to fit two sleep cycles in 24 hours doesn't work...I don't care what anyone says...you're going to be fatigued, regardless if you're on home time or local time.

Case in point: you get to the hotel at 2300L, go to bed, sleep for 8 hours, and you're up during the daytime. Good luck trying to get some quality sleep before your pickup time.

Since your pickup time is at 2300L, and you'll be flying all night (3 legs, and transiting SZX), you'll be lucky to be at the hotel again at 1000L the next morning. There is no way you can fly this, and not be completely exhausted. I know, because I've done it multiple times. Flip-flop back to daytime flying for a day, then back to night again, and you see where this is going.

The only good thing about staying in Asia for a 13 day trip is that you're not really transiting time zones, once you get over there. Japan and Korea are Z+9, and China, Singapore, Philippines, and Malaysia are all Z+8. We transited a lot more time zones when I flew the whale, but we almost always had an IRO, bunks on the aircraft, and longer layovers to recover.

G550Guy

You would enjoy the G550 Archie.


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whalesurfer

Looks like a typical 74 time zone game, just take out australia and add Europe to the mix with typically 24 hour layovers.. Archie is right, 24-hour layovers are the worst.

Jetjok

Would he enjoy the pay?

G550Guy

Like a toothache on your birthday....





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Stealthy

Just got the email for class preference...

The entire fleet is open for our newhire bid (in seniority order)


Good times!!!