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Old 01-30-2017 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by WhenPigsFLy
I'd love to know what guys think now after being here awhile. Honest question.
I just compared notes last week with a 10+ UPSer who was furloughed from United. We looked at pluses/minuses (all aspects, big or small) of a couple different legacies vs UPS. 10 years ago with mergers/bankruptcies/furloughs, it was an easy choice.

Pay/A fund/benefits have been far greater at UPS the last 10 years. QOL not so much. With the pay being about equal now at the legacies, most of the guys I know would stay at their legacy if given the choice today.

There has to be an underlying reason for pilots today besides the grass is greener. Someday, they'll realize it's because the grass is on the septic tank.
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Old 01-30-2017 | 12:01 PM
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UAL, $85+$131+$153 (757)+$161(767)+$165(767) = $139 Avg over 5 yrs + 16% B-fund ($22) over 5 yr = $161 Avg pay over 5 years

UPS, $45+171+171+174+178=$147 Avg over 5 Yrs + 12% B-Fund ($18) Avg over 5 yrs = $165.

Variables:
1. UAL Profit Sharing Avg %15,for how long??
2. A Fund, Its well funded but!!!
3. Upgrade times at UAL VS UPS
4. QOL as a junior 73 UAL guy then UPS 75/A300 guy. Either Seat.
5. Amazon
6. NAI
7. RJ upsizing (90 Seaters)
8. ME3
9. Air Asia type ULCC expansion in Pacific
10. ULCC in US such as Spirit and Allegiant.

Having been on both sides of the fence, I like being to go pee when I want and not dealing with FA and ticket agents. I still think young guys should go to DAL or UAL, its just a kinder environment.
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Old 01-30-2017 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
Brown's just yanking my chain.

Don't worry, the dirt and skeletons I have on him are epic !

Dooooooh
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Old 01-30-2017 | 01:51 PM
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UPS f/o pay for a person hired today would look like:
44.72 175.72 181.23 190.42 200.15 204.03, topping out at 239.38.
For W-2 wages, move the decimal three places to the right, and add the greed/laziness/seniority factor of 5%-35%.
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Old 01-30-2017 | 01:59 PM
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I'm not there yet. But for me, 2 words: "Passenger Terminal."
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Old 01-30-2017 | 02:58 PM
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Any class dates announced after Jan. 30? Any in February? Hopefully not another two months before the next class.
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Old 01-30-2017 | 03:08 PM
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Not sure of the dates, but February class date calls have already gone out, I think one starts February 13
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Old 01-30-2017 | 03:14 PM
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13 & 27 Feb
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Old 01-31-2017 | 07:29 AM
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I am in the pool as of Jan 26, 2017. I am trying to get a feel for how long I will be sitting here before I get a class date? I saw the February class dates have been filled. How many total have been hired in 2017?
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Old 01-31-2017 | 07:33 AM
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When Pigs Fly,
I just spent Friday with 5 of my Delta buddies. Every last one of them would change places with me..they all made Captain after 17 years, on the 737, no A-Plan, PBS and when I told them about our OCV deal they told me stop talking!
Need to get out more..
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