Exactly! I'm still amazed that guys vote for a contract that allows forced overtime with zero extra pay. Also the rig needs to be fixed. I'm fed up with 12 day trips that churn and burn with very little rest on layovers and yet you barely break 75.

 

+1. QOL in c2021

 

Been waiting for that since 1990. When you take the 30,000 foot view, things have improved, but it's been very incremental. This company will write huge checks but they will not make QOL improvements if it limits their flexibility or productivity. OCV was a mistake as far as they are concerned, they didn't think we'd take the time over the money. Going to be even harder to fool them in '21.

It'll get a little better next time too, but more glacial than monumental.

 

We have OCV because it was part of the PBS package that was presented to us. It was accidentally left in when PBS was rejected by the Negotiating committee. When UPS found OCV was still in the section, they wanted it removed, but the mediator said uhhhh no, this section is closed and agreed upon. Enjoy it fellas, I guess we finally got them on this one!!

 

What you just said has nothing to do with my statement. OCV driving hiring? It is certainly helping and one of the Big benefits of the new contract. New routes and contracts are helping just a little

Let those who work, work? What does that mean? You mean folks picking up open time as working more?

 

I will certainly agree that we "should" have had a provision for lines built over 75 would be paid at 150%. The seniority thing! I agree that building lines to the contractual max does not help hiring! I don't know the approximate number but hundreds (2-300) is probably close. The Union tried to get this in the contract, but they ran out of ammo as negotiations dragged along....

I was just stating if the company started paying OT at 150% on a regular basis there would NEVER be any (just look at the 747 / MD ANC Captain open time, there is none left after just 24 hours!!) Trip trading? Forget it!! That is my point. I have seen it for years here. Once a person gets hooked on that OT, it is hard to stop. Putting that OT on steroids would make it even harder to stop.

Forced overtime is something we all agreed to in this contract. Look at how much the reserves are working in ANC now. HUGE change from the last contract.

 

Agree. The company pushing VERY hard for PBS is one of the reasons we got OCV. I certainly love it!

I will imagine it will be bullet number one for them in '21 to get PBS or OCV changed!!!

Lets just hope we have a good negotiation team and EB in place!!

 

I have done a little research and I am going to have to take exception to your account that ties OCV to PBS.

I was one of the volunteers for picketing at the UPS Investors conference in New York City a few years ago. At the time we recieved a short briefing on where we were with the contract. Pretty much the only thing of substance we were told, and it was necessarily short on specifics, was that the vacation section had been closed and there was a huge Improvement that we were going to like. Scheduling and to whatever extent it was seriously on the table PBS, was still open but vacation was closed.

There is no connection between the company's PBS proposal and our OCV. OCV came from the IPA belief that vacation on off days is not vacation. There was a real commitment that every crewmember from the top of the list to the bottom should be able to use their full vacation benefit. It's nothing short of a coup that we succeeded.

During negotiations you go in with a long list of "wants" and pit it against the list of company "haves". If you get a couple of the wants on your list, you've done well.

Let's not diminish the executive board and negotiators accomplishments here. It's just as dangerous to underestimate the company. To assign the inclusion of OCV to a memory lapse by the company sells both parties a bit short.

I just confirmed my recollection of the process with an eb member and he confirmed it. I've talked with a few negotiators over the last year and no one made any connection between ocv and PBS. The concepts of ocv and PBS are pretty much mutually exclusive.

It was much more of a case of salesmanship with UPS making one assumption and our team making another. It was not the job of our team to correct the company's faulty assumptions about how our group would behave and I'm told we may have even encouraged their line of thought. Someone was going to be right and someone was going to be wrong. Our side's assumptions are being proven right daily.

 

I guess we are hearing different things. OCV was never offered without PBS. It was put in to make PBS more attractive. Ask yourself why UPS would ever offer OCV by itself??? There is absolutely no reason they would ever offer such a deal without it being attached to something else(PBS). Hey guys, how bout you take an entire pay period off with pay, or work and we will pay you extra. I tend to believe they ****ed up and made a very rare contractual mistake. Anyway, like I said before, enjoy it, cause it's awesome!!!!!

 

OCV and vacation slide were suggestions given to the union via the website when crew members could offer contract suggestions.