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05-29-2015, 07:57 AM
#5072
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: 5-9 block, kill removing
Posts: 385
Originally Posted by shiznit
I want the NC to try and go above and beyond the survey when possible! If we show the Company our survey and therefore our low end then we make it really hard for the NC to get the maximum!
If a "new" PWA tallies at $1 BILLION a year in increased pilot costs(including any gives) against the PTIX, we would get all $1 billion. This is a BIG number.
By "cashing the PS" check we get 1/3 of 20% of that 1B. That's about $83 Million. This is a SMALL number.
I prefer a BIG number over a SMALL number. Don't you?
(It still needs to be the right deal in QOL, not just "a" deal.)
Getting the "right deal" still requires a unified face from the MEC wether it's expedited or protracted negotiations. It reduces our leverage when the Company can see division and use those wedges against us. That makes the top number smaller and keeps us at the lower number longer...
No; no fake urgency. I agree we will "keep cashing the PS", and I look forward to that continuing. I want more(a lot more), and I want it yesterday. I don't like when people undermine the effort to do that.
If a "new" PWA tallies at $1 BILLION a year in increased pilot costs(including any gives) against the PTIX, we would get all $1 billion. This is a BIG number.
By "cashing the PS" check we get 1/3 of 20% of that 1B. That's about $83 Million. This is a SMALL number.
I prefer a BIG number over a SMALL number. Don't you?
(It still needs to be the right deal in QOL, not just "a" deal.)
Getting the "right deal" still requires a unified face from the MEC wether it's expedited or protracted negotiations. It reduces our leverage when the Company can see division and use those wedges against us. That makes the top number smaller and keeps us at the lower number longer...
No; no fake urgency. I agree we will "keep cashing the PS", and I look forward to that continuing. I want more(a lot more), and I want it yesterday. I don't like when people undermine the effort to do that.
05-29-2015, 08:10 AM
#5073
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
Posts: 6,868
Originally Posted by notEnuf
Check out the PDF, its a PowerPoint intended for investors. It may take a little bit of Google research on investopedia.com but spend sometime with it and it will enlighten.
Delta Air Lines, Inc. - Delta Announces Plan to Return over $6 Billion to Shareholders Through 2017
Delta Air Lines, Inc. - Delta Announces Plan to Return over $6 Billion to Shareholders Through 2017
It didn't take much time at all. 30 seconds looking it over and you can see that we as a Pilot group would be crazy to take any concessions or reduce profit sharing.
The above PDF should be mandatory reading for all DAL Pilots.
Thanks for posting that.
Scoop
05-29-2015, 08:16 AM
#5074
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
That is far more beneficial to our bargaining position than anything MD has put out so far.
It would go a long way if he released a (signed) letter now, citing that document, and recommitting to an "historic" contract.
It would go a long way if he released a (signed) letter now, citing that document, and recommitting to an "historic" contract.
05-29-2015, 08:17 AM
#5075
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: Utah Chapter
Posts: 391
Read this one paragraph from the #20 update again.
"Finally, consider one of the psychological factors that can come into play. Let’s say you see a particularly bad rumor…maybe it was for some really unsatisfactory pay rates, some kind of unforgivable concession, or whatever. But then the actual Tentative Agreement appears that includes something similar…just not to the negative level included the rumor, or as significant in the context of the overall agreement. You may find yourself saying “well, that isn’t so bad”. You may have been pre-conditioned by the really bad rumor into considering something that was still not all that great...just not as bad as what you had heard. "
There are several sources of rumors - whether from the company, from union reps, or that 30yo in his mom's' basement (much worse than the 13yo) - but I think this is one of the biggest reasons for rumors/leaks from the company. This is straight from "The Prince," by Machiavelli, an extremely dangerous and effective political tactic. Don't fall prey to it!
"Finally, consider one of the psychological factors that can come into play. Let’s say you see a particularly bad rumor…maybe it was for some really unsatisfactory pay rates, some kind of unforgivable concession, or whatever. But then the actual Tentative Agreement appears that includes something similar…just not to the negative level included the rumor, or as significant in the context of the overall agreement. You may find yourself saying “well, that isn’t so bad”. You may have been pre-conditioned by the really bad rumor into considering something that was still not all that great...just not as bad as what you had heard. "
There are several sources of rumors - whether from the company, from union reps, or that 30yo in his mom's' basement (much worse than the 13yo) - but I think this is one of the biggest reasons for rumors/leaks from the company. This is straight from "The Prince," by Machiavelli, an extremely dangerous and effective political tactic. Don't fall prey to it!
05-29-2015, 09:13 AM
#5076
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by shiznit
I want the NC to try and go above and beyond the survey when possible! If we show the Company our survey and therefore our low end then we make it really hard for the NC to get the maximum!
Originally Posted by shiznit
If a "new" PWA tallies at $1 BILLION a year in increased pilot costs(including any gives) against the PTIX, we would get all $1 billion. This is a BIG number.
By "cashing the PS" check we get 1/3 of 20% of that 1B. That's about $83 Million. This is a SMALL number.
I prefer a BIG number over a SMALL number. Don't you?
(It still needs to be the right deal in QOL, not just "a" deal.)
By "cashing the PS" check we get 1/3 of 20% of that 1B. That's about $83 Million. This is a SMALL number.
I prefer a BIG number over a SMALL number. Don't you?
(It still needs to be the right deal in QOL, not just "a" deal.)
Originally Posted by shiznit
Getting the "right deal" still requires a unified face from the MEC wether it's expedited or protracted negotiations. It reduces our leverage when the Company can see division and use those wedges against us. That makes the top number smaller and keeps us at the lower number longer...
Originally Posted by shiznit
No; no fake urgency. I agree we will "keep cashing the PS", and I look forward to that continuing. I want more(a lot more), and I want it yesterday. I don't like when people undermine the effort to do that.
Carl
05-29-2015, 09:16 AM
#5077
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Originally Posted by index
Straight from the arrogant horses mouth. Just like the hundreds of millions of dollars ALPA has paid out in DFR settlements where ALPA also denied any wrongdoing.
This attitude will ultimately result in the downfall of DALPA. It is long overdue and well deserved.
Any organization or individual that is incapable of admitting fault or responsibility is destined for failure.
This attitude will ultimately result in the downfall of DALPA. It is long overdue and well deserved.
Any organization or individual that is incapable of admitting fault or responsibility is destined for failure.
Carl
05-29-2015, 09:18 AM
#5078
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
That is far more beneficial to our bargaining position than anything MD has put out so far.
It would go a long way if he released a (signed) letter now, citing that document, and recommitting to an "historic" contract.
It would go a long way if he released a (signed) letter now, citing that document, and recommitting to an "historic" contract.
Carl
05-29-2015, 09:53 AM
#5079
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Posts: 463
Originally Posted by Scoop
It didn't take much time at all. 30 seconds looking it over and you can see that we as a Pilot group would be crazy to take any concessions or reduce profit sharing.
The above PDF should be mandatory reading for all DAL Pilots.
Thanks for posting that.
Scoop
The above PDF should be mandatory reading for all DAL Pilots.
Thanks for posting that.
Scoop
http://ir.delta.com/files/doc_downlo...001_t8wg8m.pdf
05-29-2015, 10:41 AM
#5080
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Posts: 23,286
Originally Posted by gloopy
The E-195 is already a mainline only airplane. Nothing needs to be given up to get them, and the company doesn't need a trick way out of dumb Mullin/Reid RJ leases to figure out how to afford to get into them. EMB would bend over backwards to get a DAL order.
That's a win win win. Remember from 2012? Fewer DCI jets. Fewer CR2s. More profitable upgauging jumbo RJs which means more profit sharing for us. You and I Gloop get our new Captain's seats (nevermind that you and I can hold M88A and 717A now).
It's a win win win for us, no brainer. Also, we keep them from doing what they wanted to do which was buy 500 Dash 8-400Qs. They were asking for an exemption and we said no.
So 70 more CRJ-900s, total 395 jumbo RJs, no CR2s, more profit, new E190s for mainline. And you and I can be Captains and as we taxi out to the runway and I realize you're behind me, I'm going to call tower using your call sign and tell them we're ready to go.
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