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Old 08-01-2014, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Starcheck102 View Post
Anything that interferes with your personal narrative just can't make a dent.
What about the posts in response to your false assertions Starcheck? Do their interference in your personal narrative (and the ALPA PAC's narrative) make a dent?

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The dollar amounts and the recipients are on the ALPA PAC website. Look them up, I won't spoon feed you.
OK, I did. This is from the list of non-incumbents to which ALPA PAC supported financially for House and Senate seats:

2007-2008: Democrats 21...Republicsns 0

2009-2010: Democrats 24...Republicans 3

2011-2012: Democrats 40...Republicans 5

2013-2014: Democrats 21...Republicans 1

My statements that ALPA and the ALPA PAC are left wing organizations and not at all "pilot partisan" stands.

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Old 08-01-2014, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin View Post
8 years ago in aviation is a lifetime. Why don't you check out what the PAC is doing now. Pilot Partisan.
See above.

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Old 08-01-2014, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay View Post
Starcheck was partially correct.

ALPA didn't endorse Obama. Prater contacted several large MEC's and there wasn't enough consensus to do so, and the Executive Board never voted. Prater as ALPA president personally endorsed Obama. Prater as ALPA president voted for the AFL-CIO to endorse Obama.

I believe, however, that Starcheck is wrong on ALPA ever endorsing a Presidential candidate. I believe ALPA endorsed Clinton in 1996 and Kerry in 2004 through votes of the Executive Board.

Take a look at the PAC website. Last time I checked it was 60D-40R for contributions and growing more balanced all the time. Pilot Partisan ALPA has made some good friends on both sides of the aisle, with almost every letter or legislative action sponsored or pushed by ALPA coming with sponsors from both major parties.
Actually, Starcheck was totally incorrect. ALPA has endorsed presidential candidates and ALPAs chairman encouraging members to vote for Obama may not be an official endorsement but it sure is tacit.

UALs MEC followed suit and officially endorsed Obama.
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Old 08-01-2014, 07:33 PM
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Good update from C20. While contractually legal, I really believe the way this whole thing was handled was disrespectful both by the company and the senior MEC types. The bid changed- drastically. They should have pulled it but didn't.

Also, given the "reduced growth" in the Atlantic, I'd say that is with high probability the final nail in the coffin of a "cure" for the JV balance. SD is a lawyer, so you have to read between the lines in what he writes. All the TATL growth is certainly not ours. Given that 25% of our largest metal is going away via assistance from our TATL network, the logic points one direction with regard to our TATL growth. Shrinking? Doubtful. Anemic? With certainty.
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Old 08-01-2014, 08:14 PM
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There's no money in 4-engined large aircraft.

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Old 08-01-2014, 08:32 PM
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There's no money in 4-engined large aircraft.

Anecdotally, I had to fly to ORD for an appt. Bought a ticket on AA round trip. 737-800 both ways. Their cabin service sucks. On the 4 hour flight back to LA, the FAs passed through coach one time asking "do you want anything?"

About 3 hours into the flight, I walked to the rear galley looking for a glass of water. All 3 FAs had the curtain drawn, feet kicked up and were playing Candy Crush.

I'm so happy to be working for Delta and partnering with a, largely, professional group of associates.

Carry on.
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Old 08-01-2014, 08:32 PM
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Ummmm OK, I'll bite. Just how do you propose "not granting relief" to upcomng displacements? Just not show up en masse for training when assigned? They can displace whomever they want, whenever they want. THEY buy the airplanes, and THEY deploy them. WE only fly them...
Their will be no displacements. Training is already a cluster. They cannot start a reverse waterfall. Dickson already said they are approaching the association for relief.

Concessions allowing a non seniority early out.

Which is fine if we get a 10% hourly increase in exchange. We will get nothing and grant relief because our PWA is written in pencil.
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Old 08-01-2014, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat View Post
Anecdotally, I had to fly to ORD for an appt. Bought a ticket on AA round trip. 737-800 both ways. Their cabin service sucks. On the 4 hour flight back to LA, the FAs passed through coach one time asking "do you want anything?"

About 3 hours into the flight, I walked to the rear galley looking for a glass of water. All 3 FAs had the curtain drawn, feet kicked up and were playing Candy Crush.

I'm so happy to be working for Delta and partnering with a, largely, professional group of associates.

Carry on.
I posted that for the view of the TBIT and our codeshare partners flying the big uglies. First one I stumbled upon had a 'murican 777 and that awful paint scheme. Look past the eyesore tail!

If you think their cabin service is bad, you should see their cockpit procedures! Pretty sure they remain unchanged since the 1960's.

This is more what I was going for:

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Old 08-01-2014, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
Their will be no displacements. Training is already a cluster. They cannot start a reverse waterfall. Dickson already said they are approaching the association for relief.

Concessions allowing a non seniority early out.

Which is fine if we get a 10% hourly increase in exchange. We will get nothing and grant relief because our PWA is written in pencil.
They had better not be talking seat locks. After all this stagnation, then a 'now-you-see-it-now-you-don't' bid, we've paid enough into the program. Now, if they want to pay protect me for what I can hold and then lock me, fine.
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Old 08-01-2014, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
I posted that for the view of the TBIT and our codeshare partners flying the big uglies. First one I stumbled upon had a 'murican 777 and that awful paint scheme. Look past the eyesore tail!

If you think their cabin service is bad, you should see their cockpit procedures! Pretty sure they remain unchanged since the 1960's.

This is more what I was going for:

Oh no, I got it, just looking for a reason to vent on AA. Can't wait 'til the US Air thing starts percolating.
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