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Old 03-09-2011, 11:56 PM
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Carl, you and I are floating in the same boat, and for some reason you believe that shooting holes in my end of the boat won't effect your ability to keep floating.
That is deep.
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Old 03-10-2011, 03:17 AM
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That is deep.
But a perfect metaphor.
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Carl, you and I are floating in the same boat, and for some reason you believe that shooting holes in my end of the boat won't effect your ability to keep floating.
Isn't that number 3 on the list of "pithy quotes" on page 5 of the ALPA Crowd Control Manual?

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Old 03-10-2011, 04:46 AM
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Isn't that number 3 on the list of "pithy quotes" on page 5 of the ALPA Crowd Control Manual?

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Maybe, but you have to admit that it makes sense.
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Maybe, but you have to admit that it makes sense.
Only if you consider yourself controlled by pithy quotes. Honestly, they need to put out a new edition or something.

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Old 03-10-2011, 05:17 AM
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Carl, you and I are floating in the same boat, and for some reason you believe that shooting holes in my end of the boat won't effect your ability to keep floating.
It's interesting how some folks seem more concerned with protecting ALPA than they are with protecting the Delta pilot's careers. To use the boat analogy... The Delta pilots are floating in our own boat in very treacherous waters. We have taken on much damage. The ALPA boat is supposed to be protecting us. Since they are doing such a poor job of this, the Delta pilots are considering hiring a different "boat" to protect us.
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Old 03-10-2011, 05:33 AM
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It's interesting how some folks seem more concerned with protecting ALPA than they are with protecting the Delta pilot's careers. To use the boat analogy...The Delta pilots are floating in our own boat in very treacherous waters. We have taken on much damage. The ALPA boat is supposed to be protecting us. Since they are doing such a poor job of this, the Delta pilots are considering hiring a different "boat" to protect us.
That is a Red Herring and you know it. ALPA and our careers are not mutually exclusive. It is what everyone has been trying to tell you. Its not about screwing you to protect ALPA, it is trying to make people realize that even though there are issues within ALPA it is the best mechanism to further your career.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
That is a Red Herring and you know it. ALPA and our careers are not mutually exclusive. It is what everyone has been trying to tell you. Its not about screwing you to protect ALPA, it is trying to make people realize that even though there are issues within ALPA it is the best mechanism to further your career.
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How do we know if its the best mechanism if we never consider any options? Because they tell us so?

So lets air it out and have ALPA explain/defend its actions. At the very least maybe this whole affair will result in some changes in ALPA that benefit the Delta Pilots.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
That is a Red Herring and you know it. ALPA and our careers are not mutually exclusive. It is what everyone has been trying to tell you. Its not about screwing you to protect ALPA, it is trying to make people realize that even though there are issues within ALPA it is the best mechanism to further your career.
I think the debate here is precisely about the part I bolded. ALPA isn't the best mechanism, its just got the longest track record.

Are they willing to change? Can they change? Like all unions, I think the folks in DC are more enamored with their personal power and the thrill they get wielding it, than actually representing those they were originally elected to represent. DC frequently forgets there is a world outside the beltway.
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