Flycameron

Anyone know how to get into obap without a pass since they have sold out?

ghilis101

Yup its all about enjoying precious time at home. It took about 12 hours to finish the self study systems that we have to complete, and now moving on to the big stuff to get ready for the eSV (the computer based AQP version of an oral for all the old school types).

I sat in a MD90 jumpseat last week and I learned more from watching their flows, checklist usage, flight guidance panel, and FMA's than I would have ever learned in a classroom. The crew pretty much already signed me off on the FMS I think getting a jumpseat observation BEFORE you go to the sim is more valuable than going after, but both have value. I strongly recommend it for people who are going somewhere anyway to vacation, to ask to sit in the jumpseat if its your equipment.

viper548

Sold out but won't refund mine or let me transfer it. Nice.

Flycameron

PM sent......

Flying Elvis

At your own peril.

I'm pretty good at standardized tests and cramming stuff into short-term memory. I had exactly 7 days from Indoc to training start. I took Sat/Sun off from studying - put all the books and my laptop in a bag and didn't open them at all.

However, I spent the other 5 days putting about 8+ hours each day into hard-core studying at a coffee shop. Had my notes open on the flight back to ATL, and studied the evenings prior to the test.

That plus the test material review was probably a bit of overkill for the ESV itself, but set me up for the procedural training so I wasn't hunting for answers and could work on the procedures themselves.

Failures are happening at the procedural level, by pilots a lot smarter than me. Especially if you haven't done 121 stuff before, this, it's not a cake walk.

My call: keep things in balance. Take some time off but definitely put in the effort as well. No need to start your DAL career with a training failure.

LeineLodge

This^^^^

Especially if you're new to 121. There is a lot of information to take in. Do yourself a favor and set up a good knowledge base before showing up. There isn't enough time once you're in the training footprint to play catchup. Ideally you'll spend each night studying ahead for the following day's event instead of frantically trying to catch up.

Much better to be over prepped (just like your interview) than start out behind - especially while on probation.

EmbraerFlyer

Is the actual ESV the same as the practice ESV? Same test bank?

Paok

Absolutely not. Take it once. Twice tops.

MoonShot

An instructor once told me that they had to write (3?) questions for each learning objective for the bank. Some LOs are so basic it's hard to have 3 different questions about the same thing.

The practice ESV is good for showing how the test is administered so on the questions that have multiple answers, you don't see a correct response and select only it (not noticing that they are looking for multiple answers).

Basically, know the LOD cold, especially the smaller sections and READ THE QUESTION. They give you plenty of time. No need to rush as it won't help your score any.

If you know the LODs and read the questions you'll do just fine.

vprMatrix

The practice ESV contains only a percentage of the questions from the actual test. You will likely see some of the questions from the practice ESV on your test. In my experience about 30 - 40% will be ones you have seen already, don't get those wrong.