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10-28-2014, 05:10 AM
#3691
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,483
Originally Posted by V1 ROT8
Forgot our place? GFY buddy!
Simple facts: PSA and Piedmont voted in concessions when AAG was MAKING RECORD PROFITS. The pilots of Envoy decided, repeatedly, that we weren't willing to take concessions or sell future new hires down the river for shiny new airplanes while our CEO and upper level managers were lavishing in profits and bonuses. Airplanes which, by the way, are tools necessary to complete the job and not the responsibility of the pilots to subsidize.
Simple facts: PSA and Piedmont voted in concessions when AAG was MAKING RECORD PROFITS. The pilots of Envoy decided, repeatedly, that we weren't willing to take concessions or sell future new hires down the river for shiny new airplanes while our CEO and upper level managers were lavishing in profits and bonuses. Airplanes which, by the way, are tools necessary to complete the job and not the responsibility of the pilots to subsidize.
Originally Posted by pagey
The "place you all forgot" was that the leverage you thought you had didn't exist. I don't think he meant it as a jab at Eagle.
Unfortunately the "brand" you built no one cares about. No one is going to buy a ticket because American Eagle operates the flight.
As far as families feeling the pain are you guys still under the impression that AAG is bluffing? It may be time to realize that making 95k a year while capped at year 12 might not be as good as making 105k at year 18 pay, but it is way better than making 0k if eagle is shrunk and eventually dissolved. I think 95k is enough to feed your family.
Unfortunately the "brand" you built no one cares about. No one is going to buy a ticket because American Eagle operates the flight.
As far as families feeling the pain are you guys still under the impression that AAG is bluffing? It may be time to realize that making 95k a year while capped at year 12 might not be as good as making 105k at year 18 pay, but it is way better than making 0k if eagle is shrunk and eventually dissolved. I think 95k is enough to feed your family.
Were you somehow under the illusion that Eagle / Envoy never was anything but an outsourced labor group that exists only so that it's owner can pay pilots less than what they get paid at mainline?
Were you somehow under the illusion that Eagle / Envoy actually owned its flying like the APA owns its flying?
Were you somehow under the illusion that Eagle / Envoy isn't beholden to just ONE customer for its services, a customer that just happens to own the airline outright?
Hey, I'm all for getting gains where possible, but reality is a b**** isn't it?
Last edited by TallFlyer; 10-28-2014 at 05:34 AM.
10-28-2014, 05:11 AM
#3692
Respek
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,603
Originally Posted by prior121
God flaps this kid sounds like my twin. lol
Don't get the Bose A20. or Telex.
Get the Bose QC15 and U fly mike separate combo. I've dabbled with all those headsets your asking about and the QC15 Uflymike is the best out there.
Don't get the Bose A20. or Telex.
Get the Bose QC15 and U fly mike separate combo. I've dabbled with all those headsets your asking about and the QC15 Uflymike is the best out there.
10-28-2014, 05:18 AM
#3693
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,483
Originally Posted by Kprc1
There's been a lot of rumor about PSA not being able to staff those planes.
Originally Posted by pagey
We are hiring nearly 50/month right now that rumor is just that.......only a rumor
They run us through an IPT curriculum before sims, and those are scheduled nearly 24/7.
10-28-2014, 05:28 AM
#3694
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
Originally Posted by Cruz5350
Quote:
Originally Posted by prior121
God flaps this kid sounds like my twin. lol
Don't get the Bose A20. or Telex.
Get the Bose QC15 and U fly mike separate combo. I've dabbled with all those headsets your asking about and the QC15 Uflymike is the best out there.
It's Clarence, old name was banned so he's back under this one. Of course he doesn't have to buy them mainline daddy is taking care of that bill.
Originally Posted by prior121
God flaps this kid sounds like my twin. lol
Don't get the Bose A20. or Telex.
Get the Bose QC15 and U fly mike separate combo. I've dabbled with all those headsets your asking about and the QC15 Uflymike is the best out there.
It's Clarence, old name was banned so he's back under this one. Of course he doesn't have to buy them mainline daddy is taking care of that bill.
huh? Me or Scotty?
Who cares if someone comes from money? Good for them.
If you're talking about me, my dad is a student housing developer...
10-28-2014, 06:39 AM
#3695
Living the Dream
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
Originally Posted by OnCenterline
Because you are only seeing the seats that are truly unclaimed on the seat map. You aren't seeing seats held for groups, company business, or potential re-bookings.
Or are you saying a portion of the open seats on the seat map are being held for groups/company business/re-bookings?
While we're on the subject, United seems to give out upgrades like candy. You'll see one or two available first class seats and 30 upgrades listed. Is it realistic to get first class anymore? It was doable a few years back but every flight I go on now seems impossible.
10-28-2014, 06:45 AM
#3696
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 455
Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
Fair enough, and I wasn't suggesting that of you or any Mesa pilot either. I just disagree with your argument! But if that's what we have to complain about in this day and age, we're doing a good job. People in the middle east are having their heads chopped off....
10-28-2014, 06:49 AM
#3697
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 455
Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Thanks as usual for the response Centerline. However, that explanation seems to suggest the seat map would show less open seats. In my experience it typically shows more.
Or are you saying a portion of the open seats on the seat map are being held for groups/company business/re-bookings?
While we're on the subject, United seems to give out upgrades like candy. You'll see one or two available first class seats and 30 upgrades listed. Is it realistic to get first class anymore? It was doable a few years back but every flight I go on now seems impossible.
Or are you saying a portion of the open seats on the seat map are being held for groups/company business/re-bookings?
While we're on the subject, United seems to give out upgrades like candy. You'll see one or two available first class seats and 30 upgrades listed. Is it realistic to get first class anymore? It was doable a few years back but every flight I go on now seems impossible.
10-28-2014, 06:53 AM
#3698
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Originally Posted by prior121
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruz5350
Quote:
Originally Posted by prior121
God flaps this kid sounds like my twin. lol
Don't get the Bose A20. or Telex.
Get the Bose QC15 and U fly mike separate combo. I've dabbled with all those headsets your asking about and the QC15 Uflymike is the best out there.
It's Clarence, old name was banned so he's back under this one. Of course he doesn't have to buy them mainline daddy is taking care of that bill.
huh? Me or Scotty?
Who cares if someone comes from money? Good for them.
If you're talking about me, my dad is a student housing developer...
Originally Posted by Cruz5350
Quote:
Originally Posted by prior121
God flaps this kid sounds like my twin. lol
Don't get the Bose A20. or Telex.
Get the Bose QC15 and U fly mike separate combo. I've dabbled with all those headsets your asking about and the QC15 Uflymike is the best out there.
It's Clarence, old name was banned so he's back under this one. Of course he doesn't have to buy them mainline daddy is taking care of that bill.
huh? Me or Scotty?
Who cares if someone comes from money? Good for them.
If you're talking about me, my dad is a student housing developer...
10-28-2014, 08:40 AM
#3699
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: Full Nelson
Posts: 366
Who is your daddy...and what does he do?
10-28-2014, 11:24 AM
#3700
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: doggy style
Posts: 1,006
Does anyone know what browser I need to get crewweb to display correctly?
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