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10-29-2014, 09:52 AM
#3721
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
Fair enough! I can see how that would work. SKW has always been a company who has tried very hard to avoid a union coming in. So I can see how you can make that argument that we are "riding on the coat tails" of other carriers. I happen to believe, however limited my experience, that we DO have a generally good group of management and pilots who want to work together. Of course it's a business and there will be conflicting views between management and pilot group but that doesn't indicate partisan behaviour between the two groups.
I also believe in a two way street where unionized carriers can point to the good parts of our contract in their negotiations and say "see what these pilots have? And they don't even have union representation!"
I also believe that if the above changed we would not hesitate to get representation. I, personally, would prefer a group with more self interest than ALPA who also represents many major carriers.
The fact remains, 24/48, that in spite of differing opinions, we are all on the same side. We are all fighting for this industry to get better (yes even non unionized SKW pilots) and we all want to help each other reach our goal, whether that be a major or other. Sure there are bad apples that are selfish out there (and they will get the karma they richly deserve).
I, personally, turned down a fast upgrade at Mesa, PSA, Compass, and interviews with several other carriers to come to SKW because I felt, despite the lengthy upgrade and possible stagnation, their work rules were top of the industry. I don't feel that's "scab like" behaviour-in fact I felt I was doing my part to accept only the best that the industry has to offer, though I will not pretend to say our first year pay is anything close to "decent." :P
Just my 2 cents. Cheers brother!
I also believe in a two way street where unionized carriers can point to the good parts of our contract in their negotiations and say "see what these pilots have? And they don't even have union representation!"
I also believe that if the above changed we would not hesitate to get representation. I, personally, would prefer a group with more self interest than ALPA who also represents many major carriers.
The fact remains, 24/48, that in spite of differing opinions, we are all on the same side. We are all fighting for this industry to get better (yes even non unionized SKW pilots) and we all want to help each other reach our goal, whether that be a major or other. Sure there are bad apples that are selfish out there (and they will get the karma they richly deserve).
I, personally, turned down a fast upgrade at Mesa, PSA, Compass, and interviews with several other carriers to come to SKW because I felt, despite the lengthy upgrade and possible stagnation, their work rules were top of the industry. I don't feel that's "scab like" behaviour-in fact I felt I was doing my part to accept only the best that the industry has to offer, though I will not pretend to say our first year pay is anything close to "decent." :P
Just my 2 cents. Cheers brother!
Pay, contracts, and QOL change drastically and unexpectedly, especially at the regional level. Having 1,000+ hours turbine PIC, on the other hand, is something you'll always have, even if you end up furloughed and back at the bottom of another crappy regional's list.
Different strokes for different folks, but given the huge axe hovering over operators of 50-seat equipment, and the hiring future at the legacies, I don't blame anyone for chasing a fast upgrade--pick your legacy employer based on their contract, because most legacies nowadays aren't going away anytime soon. At the regional level, though, it is very easy for our legacy overlords to squash us like bugs anytime we become too expensive or bloated to keep alive.
10-29-2014, 10:30 AM
#3722
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
I, personally, turned down a fast upgrade at Mesa, PSA, Compass, and interviews with several other carriers to come to SKW because I felt, despite the lengthy upgrade and possible stagnation, their work rules were top of the industry. I don't feel that's "scab like" behaviour-in fact I felt I was doing my part to accept only the best that the industry has to offer, though I will not pretend to say our first year pay is anything close to "decent."
I'm not one to make person attacks on here but I think Crazy Canuck is a fitting username for you.
10-29-2014, 10:40 AM
#3723
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Originally Posted by prior121
Different strokes for different folks is one thing, but TURNING DOWN an offer at Compass, an all 70-76 seat operator, good contract, where the top 40-50% of their list is flowing to Delta for what you call a "stable" regional with a huge amount of 50 seaters is absolutely asinine.
I'm not one to make person attacks on here but I think Crazy Canuck is a fitting username for you.
I'm not one to make person attacks on here but I think Crazy Canuck is a fitting username for you.
10-29-2014, 11:24 AM
#3724
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Originally Posted by prior121
Different strokes for different folks is one thing, but TURNING DOWN an offer at Compass, an all 70-76 seat operator, good contract, where the top 40-50% of their list is flowing to Delta for what you call a "stable" regional with a huge amount of 50 seaters is absolutely asinine.
Remember, somebody is going to end up late to the party.
10-29-2014, 12:11 PM
#3725
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
It's a very short-sighted view, too. Little does he realize the long-term career repercussions...
I've learned not to chase upgrades. You just never know when it won't work out, and frankly I don't trust TSH. Also, it seems people falsely assume Jet PIC=major job.
10-29-2014, 12:15 PM
#3726
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
While not going to Compass (especially if you could've potentially had a class this Summer) is a hard call to justify passing up. Some people refuse to get drunk off the quick upgradezzzzzzzz!!!!11!!1 koolaid, and keep the other bottom feeder quick upgrade carriers off their resume.
Amazing huh?
Amazing huh?
Good luck to you with your career choices. I hope they are what YOU want.
10-29-2014, 12:18 PM
#3727
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Originally Posted by Kprc1
Why don't you stop judging people for their decision where they go. I have MY reasons where I work. It was my choice and it doesn't matter what you or anyone else think. Your opinion doesn't matter. Only mine and my family know what's best for me.
Good luck to you with your career choices. I hope they are what YOU want.
Good luck to you with your career choices. I hope they are what YOU want.
10-29-2014, 12:25 PM
#3728
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
While not going to Compass (especially if you could've potentially had a class this Summer) is a hard call to justify passing up. Some people refuse to get drunk off the quick upgradezzzzzzzz!!!!11!!1 koolaid, and keep the other bottom feeder quick upgrade carriers off their resume.
Amazing huh?
Amazing huh?
10-29-2014, 12:58 PM
#3729
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Originally Posted by Kprc1
Why don't you stop judging people for their decision where they go. I have MY reasons where I work. It was my choice and it doesn't matter what you or anyone else think. Your opinion doesn't matter. Only mine and my family know what's best for me.
Good luck to you with your career choices. I hope they are what YOU want.
Good luck to you with your career choices. I hope they are what YOU want.
The point I'm trying to make is that joining any specific regional airline is a crapshoot--always--especially at a carrier with any significant number of 50-seaters.
Choosing a regional based on domiciles or contract terms is bound to lead to disappointment at some point. We learned that in a dramatic fashion at 9e/Endeavor, and anyone on property at Mesa during the bankruptcy knows that also.
I'm sure some of the Mesa new hires who came here for the CLT domicile, thinking it was best for their family, are learning this important lesson--take nothing for granted--ever--get your time and GTFO.
10-29-2014, 01:18 PM
#3730
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
Fair enough! I can see how that would work. SKW has always been a company who has tried very hard to avoid a union coming in. So I can see how you can make that argument that we are "riding on the coat tails" of other carriers. I happen to believe, however limited my experience, that we DO have a generally good group of management and pilots who want to work together. Of course it's a business and there will be conflicting views between management and pilot group but that doesn't indicate partisan behaviour between the two groups.
Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
I also believe in a two way street where unionized carriers can point to the good parts of our contract in their negotiations and say "see what these pilots have? And they don't even have union representation!"
Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
I also believe that if the above changed we would not hesitate to get representation. I, personally, would prefer a group with more self interest than ALPA who also represents many major carriers.
In saying that, I completely understand that ALPA ain't all that when it comes to representation of majors and regionals. There is a huge conflict there that needs fixing. I am a huge proponent of having an avenue for advancement for our regional pilots. What you guys do in a CRJ, Ejet, etc. is a hell of a lot more demanding, and tests your airmanship versus what I do. Hell, my airplane even takes care of the rudder on a V1 cut!
Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
The fact remains, 24/48, that in spite of differing opinions, we are all on the same side. We are all fighting for this industry to get better (yes even non unionized SKW pilots) and we all want to help each other reach our goal, whether that be a major or other. Sure there are bad apples that are selfish out there (and they will get the karma they richly deserve).
Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
I, personally, turned down a fast upgrade at Mesa, PSA, Compass, and interviews with several other carriers to come to SKW because I felt, despite the lengthy upgrade and possible stagnation, their work rules were top of the industry. I don't feel that's "scab like" behaviour-in fact I felt I was doing my part to accept only the best that the industry has to offer, though I will not pretend to say our first year pay is anything close to "decent." :P
Just my 2 cents. Cheers brother!
Just my 2 cents. Cheers brother!
All the best, and cheers!
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