Flubber

"This Agreement shall become effective on October 1, 2003, and shall continue in full force and effect until eight (8) years thereafter, and shall renew itself without change until each succeeding October 1 thereafter, unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6, Title I of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party hereto at least ninety (90) days, but not more than three hundred sixty-five (365) days, prior to October 1, 2011 or any October 1 thereafter."

Gotta read the whole paragraph...

tonsterboy5

So by your logic the contract is null and void?

Omnislash

The contract language isn't null and void but the union complied with:
"unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6, Title I of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party"
They did that over 8 years ago in order to start the negotiations process.

idlethrust

The mechanics voted their ta down . It’s on the co web page .
We need to stand with them and say hell no to this bs.

idlethrust

Home run? Nah
Grand slam ? Definitely not
Hell this isn’t even a bunt lol
How about strike three ??
Shoot this s;%t down ASAP .

Omnislash

Two more posts from you and not a single fact to back any of your claims (even though I've continuously asked for some sort of supporting information). It's obvious that you don't like the TA, but no one knows why. Without ever providing clarification, it's even more obvious that you are just angry and you may not even know why yourself. Once you can articulate some reasons, I hope you learn how to negotiate and go and volunteer to be part of the team that gets us more next time. In the interim, telling your coworkers to walk away from a pay raise and work rule improvements because you are mad at the company (that you chose to work for and choose to continue working for), is extremely self serving and not a way to build on gains going forward. As far as the mechanics' vote, their vote doesn't affect us and our vote doesn't affect them. "Standing with them" as you say is not symbolic in any way and helps no one, regardless of how you try to justify it.

idlethrust

This ta/ pay raise is a joke no matter how you look at it.
Lipstick on a turd is still a turd no matter how you dress it up bro .
Say what you want, it’s either going to pass or fail by one or two votes probably and I hope I’m the last no vote that stops this crap from passing.

Omnislash

Another angry post with ZERO facts to back your claims. All you ever come up with are awful metaphors. The TA and pay raise are not a joke and are actually quite real. I cast a REAL vote to get some REAL additional money.

Let's say that you are successful in scaring enough pilots away from the best offer that we have been offered in the last 10 years with your anger, pessimism, and fear mongering. What should we expect to get next, how long will it take, and how will we actually get it?

Turnamdburn200

Stockholm syndrome, might wanna look it up

Omnislash

Wow! Seriously? You may want to look it up yourself. You are not a hostage and the company is not your captor. Instead, you are an employee and the company is your employer. No one is keeping you here against your will.