New TA... again
11-11-2019, 06:33 AM
#341
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Originally Posted by Omnislash
Yea that's not how it works. You haven't been here long enough to go through the last two failed attempts. What makes you so sure they will offer more?
11-11-2019, 08:58 AM
#344
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Originally Posted by iceman21
A yes guarantees longer wait for crappier gains like this TA...
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11-11-2019, 09:01 AM
#345
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Originally Posted by Omnislash
Yea that's not how it works. You haven't been here long enough to go through the last two failed attempts. What makes you so sure they will offer more?
11-11-2019, 09:16 AM
#346
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
The market is different now . This co cannot operate long term without contracts for the pilots , mechanics and fa’s. Right now all 3 are putting the pressure on . If they want long term growth and fixed costs for their largest expense which is labor, they will have to offer a better , more liveable and generous amount in order to obtain the approvals . Otherwise, they loose . They cannot bid on contracts, flying etc without these fixed cost figured in . It’s in their best interest to settle these contracts now. But if you settle for the peanuts they are offering, they win we loose .
11-11-2019, 09:22 AM
#347
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Originally Posted by Omnislash
If you play the lottery and you win $100, do you not cash it out because it wasn't the $1,000,000 ticket that you were hoping for? Of course not! You cash out and try again at the next drawing.
11-11-2019, 09:25 AM
#348
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Originally Posted by Omnislash
Actually, they can and will continue to operate. The RLA mandates that we have to continue to operate under our current contract until a new contract is reached or until we are released to strike. All 3 labor groups are looking for greater gains but the leverage isn't there. The longer we say no, the longer we let them keep their extra money that they are offering, collect interest on it, and force us to work for less than what's on the table. They are hiring two full classes a month so they aren't worried about anything that we deem is "more livable and generous." If we say no, they will offer a compensation package worth the same amount in a detailed years with some numbers moved around. In that scenario we lose because we could have already been getting that money in the interim.
11-11-2019, 04:15 PM
#349
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Why did you vote YES or NO?
What is the major reason you voted YES or NO on this TA?
Here's my idea of the core changes, curious if I missed anything important to others.
Current raise is 1.5% per year. New contract would keep that the same except for a one-time 3% raise (2%+1%). For premium pay, looks like the company wants to knock out paying premium for people on PTO picking up their own trips.
The rest seems more about consolidating and minor tweaks than any new agreement, much of it formalizing things the company is or should want to be doing.
For those with more knowledge please chime in. I'm interested in everyone's thoughts and opinions. Thanks!
Here's my idea of the core changes, curious if I missed anything important to others.
Current raise is 1.5% per year. New contract would keep that the same except for a one-time 3% raise (2%+1%). For premium pay, looks like the company wants to knock out paying premium for people on PTO picking up their own trips.
The rest seems more about consolidating and minor tweaks than any new agreement, much of it formalizing things the company is or should want to be doing.
For those with more knowledge please chime in. I'm interested in everyone's thoughts and opinions. Thanks!
