New TA... again
11-12-2019, 01:56 AM
#361
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Originally Posted by iceman21
The equation is pretty simple if you ask me. UA has dangled a carrot in front of AWAC in the form of more flying, however, that means we need more bodies. To the tune of another 600. There were 2 people in there 20s in my INDOC class. The rest of us (10) were above 35 to age 57. The class after mine was a bit younger, I'd say avg age of the class was 36.
In order to hire the numbers we need to hire to attain the flying UA wants to give us we are going to have offer more money to those we want to attract. A 3% raise over 18 mo is not the answer.
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In order to hire the numbers we need to hire to attain the flying UA wants to give us we are going to have offer more money to those we want to attract. A 3% raise over 18 mo is not the answer.
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11-12-2019, 04:15 AM
#362
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Originally Posted by Omnislash
What you claim are facts are simply your beliefs and far from facts.
Do you understand that if we don't ratify the TA that management could also be done offering, and in fact, could withdraw the current offer?
If you don't ratify the TA, you send a message to Appleton that they get to keep the millions of dollars that they are offering us in increases this time around.
If you don't ratify the TA, the NMB may believe that we are unreasonable and may not even offer us a chance to bargain for a long time?
Management has been forced to bargain to what the NMB thinks is fair. The NMB isn't suddenly going to believe that the company needs to give us 30% raises. As for the long game, I've been here for all 3 TAs and haven't seen giant raises in any of the TAs following an unsuccessful ratification. That's just not how it works. What makes you think that by saying ”no,” the company has to automatically increase their offer? I agree that we should be offered more, but that doesn't mean that we will be or are even required to be offered anything more.
11-12-2019, 10:15 AM
#363
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What good comes of debating this? If you don’t like it, vote no. If you like the deal, vote yes. I don’t think arguing this will sway anyone one way or another.
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11-12-2019, 11:43 AM
#364
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We have established Omni is a top of the scale captain who will receive $3k++ a year with the new contract. He is already at the top of our payscales which is where our contract is the best. Our top end captains make very similar amounts as every other regional or even more. The of our group will see a raise of about $1k or less per year. Still leaving us swimming with the other low paid regionals. He is a strong yes because he is already one of the best paid regional pilots and this contract will help him out. Those that are new to regional won’t get nearly as much benefit. Everyone has their own motive in mind. Bottom line contract is good for the senior guys and mediocre for the junior guys
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11-14-2019, 05:03 PM
#365
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Originally Posted by Omnislash
I'm not referring to the 1.5% at all. We will get another 3% in the next 18 months. For easy math and not dealing with the compounding factor or annual longevity increase, a pilot making $100,000 a year will get an additional $3,000. That pilot will get that $3,000 every year going forward because the hourly rate went up one time by 3%. That is real money and not BS.
11-14-2019, 05:21 PM
#366
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
United just opened the flood gates with aviate. They’re going to offer college seniors a job at United through working at a regional. ZW will have all the staff they could want within a year or two.
11-14-2019, 06:20 PM
#367
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Originally Posted by squib
What flavor koolaid do you prefer?
11-15-2019, 06:06 AM
#369
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Originally Posted by squib
Most pilots on property don’t make 100k a year. Your math is wrong plus taxes take nearly half. The minimal raise might cover your cell phone or cable bill. If you live pay check to check you already made one bad decision. Don’t make another. Vote no.
Good for top senior guys but crap for everyone else . Hell No
11-15-2019, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by squib
Most pilots on property don’t make 100k a year. Your math is wrong plus taxes take nearly half. The minimal raise might cover your cell phone or cable bill. If you live pay check to check you already made one bad decision. Don’t make another. Vote no.
I could go on and on but this ta only puts us further behind everyone else , regardless of the insulting pay raise .NO
