Omnislash

Current book allows the company to hide open time from created from specific things. Those trips are often assigned to reserves at straight time anyway. The company can of course publish it at 150% or even mark it CTL if they don't have the reserves to cover it. In the TA language, the company is required to post all open time including what they currently can leave unpublished due to those specific types of trips. They will be posted at straight time but that will allow us to make swaps with trips that we currently don't even have the ability to see. Just like current book, if the company needs to publish one of those trips at 150% or CTL, they can. We are literally not losing anything here. We are gaining language but that doesn't fit with the agenda of the few overly angry pilots here. You should at least have correct information and not try to spin a gain into a loss.

idlethrust

Just vote NO.
Problem solved

Omnislash

Another idlethrust ignorant claim. In this case, the TA actually solves the issue of unpublished open time. Voting against it gives the solution that was negotiated back to the company.

Omnislash

He has been pretty vocal about it on the line too which made me curious. I was interested in why he has had such a change in heart over the last TA. Last time, he was at Skybridge every day telling us this was the best deal we could ever possibly get and that we were fools to vote against it. The only difference between the the last TA and the current one are improvements for the pilot group and that his signature won't be in it because the union removed him from his previous position. It sounds like he is just projecting his bitterness. I was happy to listen to his rationale until he started off by saying that "we need to vote no for the Flight Attendants." I do hope the Flight Attendants get a deal that they deserve, but our TA has nothing to do with them and their negotiations have nothing to do with us..

idlethrust

No matter what you say or do you’re not changing my mind and the minds of a bunch of other people it seems.
You can shine this turd all you want but it’s still a turd and everyone knows it.
Where are the commuter hotels ? Just two a month would be great, especially with these horrible lines . Bonuses into pay rates? Not even close .
Swapping planes three times a day sometimes and not being compensated for it??
I can think of plenty more shortcomings on this so called TA but why point them out? People like you that are all for the company will continue to cheerlead for them no matter what .
We are all making an informed decision and truth of the matter is we deserve better and this is nothing but a good screwing without dinner and a movie first .

RabidW0mbat

Serious question, are there any regionals who are compensated for swapping aircraft? Any majors? I'm legitimately curious, because I've never heard of this before. I mean it'd be nice, but I don't see it happening. Hell, if you want to spend negotiating capital on extra compensation for something like that, let's work on an extra 15 minutes of pay for air starts. The doors open, you're not getting paid for that crap, it sucks. This TA is a turd, case in point, I made a comment at Skybridge akin to "Sell me on this, why should I vote for it?" The basic response from the union... "We're not trying to sell you on it, we just want you to vote." It seems like they're even lukewarm on it.
Here's my stance, do we deserve better, hell yes. This thing is an insult after 16 years of nothing new. That said, say we vote it down, we have to start new negotiations from scratch, section by section. How many YEARS will that take? Minimum 3-4. In that time frame it's status quo, and you guys can continue to ***** and moan. Or, we suck it up, remove emotions from the equation, vote it in, get something, and the company is required to come back to the table in 3 years, as early as 2 with the early opener. The industry will look a lot different in 2 years, and I expect we will have more negotiating power.
Standing in solidarity with the mechanics and flight attendants sounds great and makes a great headline, but in the end, Appleton's gonna Appleton, and if you don't think they're more than content to sit back and let us bicker among ourselves, you're delusional. Yes, let's voice our support and call out the company with regards to the other work groups, but we still have to look out for our own group as well. I respect BB, but voting no to stand with the FA's is akin to cutting off our nose to spite our face. Until the RLA changes and we have better strike power, we're kinda hosed with regards to bargaining power.
This is the kind of *****ing that makes 4 days with you people really annoying. Stop making this job harder then it has to be.

Omnislash

Haha. All I'm doing is providing facts and actual evidence against the fake claims you are making. Commuter hotels and paid aircraft swaps aren't possible without finding a way to pay for it within the total compensation package being offered. You keep talking about "shortcomings" but can't back your claims with facts. I'm not cheerleading and am certainly not all for the company. I'm actually more about us and getting something positive out of this long process. I'm sorry that you have to pay for hotel rooms because you choose to commute. Many others are in the same shoes but don't expect that to become the company's expense. It's funny because when you left your last airline that you were bashing on here, you were so excited to come here. If you really don't like it here anymore, do us all a favor and pick another airline to go to (you obviously are already familiar with the process). I'm sure you're a real treat to fly with for 4 days.

idlethrust

We will never have any more power than we have now if we stand in unity .
We have an opportunity to set an industry standard in a lot of areas and not screw over everyone who comes in behind us .

idlethrust

You’re right about one thing
I am a treat to fly with. I agree with that. If only you were so lucky to work with me .Maybe you could learn a thing or two 🤣🤣

pitchtrim

BB is the same guy who's negotiating tactic was tell all the fo's to leave and go to endeavor. He also called LCA's scabs for sitting right seat after he scared 400 some odd pilots into leaving. We would have downgraded captains otherwise. I take anything he says with a grain of salt.